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The Witcher 4 devs want their new RPG to be a good entry point, even if you didn't play The Witcher 3 (www.gamesradar.com)

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[–] ono@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have a lot of criticism for The Witcher 3, but one thing I really appreciated was making lore and character background available for reading. It really helped with this newcomer's understanding of the world and story. (And later, with my understanding of the TV series.)

[–] toastus@feddit.de 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you like reading and are into the Witcher I have just the thing for you.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The wiki?

[–] odium@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago

The books I assume

[–] Satiric_Weasel@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

No, their fan-fiction.

[–] ono@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

Don't think I haven't considered it. :)

[–] dumdum666@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago

As long as they don’t overpromise and underdeliver that’s fine by me

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Isn't that the goal of every game sequel?

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, it is now that every game takes so long to develop. That’s the unfortunate part of long dev cycles. Imagine asking people to play morrowind before recommending Skyrim to them. That seems wild but then you remember how long it took to get games like Fallout 4 or breath of the wild. Don’t do that and you end up with a series like Metro which are amazing games but have prerequisites that lead to a more niche following.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Ok, but people should play Morrowind before Skyrim. Or after Skyrim.

[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Is it?

I normally wouldn't start a game which has a sequel before playing the former titles, TW3 was an exception though.

[–] Patariki@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago

I'm guessing you've never played bioware games.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 2 years ago

I hope they’ve been working on a really good new fight that I have have a thousand times over.

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[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They botched a release, worked their arses off and fixed their mistake, and released a well received dlc after focusing on that. The fucking horror.

[–] 520@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Cyberpunk 2077 is now a really fucking good game. Seriously. Play it nowadays. It's very much a NMS story.

[–] java@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

TW3 is a really fucking good game. CP2077 is fine, better than it was.

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I like Cyberpunk a lot better than the Witcher. It's a much better shooter than the Witcher is a hack and slash.

The Witcher is better in terms of world building and story choices, but gameplay? It's no contest to me. The swordplay in the Witcher isn't good, and spells, grenades, and oils are mostly just passwords to memorize for different monsters that don't really play different

[–] java@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It doesn't matter. We're not comparing two mechanics. Cyberpunk is not a narrow shooter like Quake 3 or something like that. Both are tremendously ambitious games and both should be judged as a whole. Awards, recognition and cultural legacy of TW3 speak for themselves.

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're comparing subjective things.

Which means subjective opinions are allowed to exist. The Witcher is not an objectively better game than Cyberpunk. You like it better. You don't have the right to say someone is wrong for enjoying a game that has gameplay that isn't terrible more than a game that does.

[–] java@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don’t have the right to say

And who are you to say what rights I have? Stay on the topic or stay quiet.

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I am entirely on topic.

You're the one telling someone he's wrong about something opinion based because he values actual gameplay in a video game. That is not a statement that is capable of having legitimacy.

[–] And009@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That speaks a lot about the dev Commitments but the lore is simply not at the same standard.

[–] 520@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What did you expect? Witcher is based on a book series and CP77 is based on a TTRPG.

The books have a lot more lore already written than you can expect of a TTRPG.

[–] And009@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes.. But there are people who professionally do this. Worldbuilders. They are clearly material dependent. Witcher 4 will probably meet the high expectations.

[–] 520@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Yes… But there are people who professionally do this. Worldbuilders. They are clearly material dependent.

Of course they are. World builders can only spend so long on one given project, and have to tie their work in with prior material, then on a sequel they get a chance to explain events in the time gap as well as expand on more bits.

Look at the Elder Scrolls series. A lot of the lore in Skyrim was written nearly 20 years before the release of that game. And Oblivion massively expanded on things introduced in Daggerfall

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Witcher 3 had a bad release as well

[–] java@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

You see, this is good. Unhealthy expectations from CP2077 were part of the problem.