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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the “ML” influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
Rules:
Be a decent person.
No racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, zionism/nazism, and so on.
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Oh I'm gay, I'd be sent there already anyway.
Gulag ^2^
Cuba has LGBT+ rights enshrined in their constitution.
And the Soviets sent us to the gulags.
China likewise treats us like shit.
But cool, one small player gives a shit. That’s about as much as the libs do 🥲
It's a bit weird to compare the USSR to the west at a time when the west literally imprisoned and/or sterilized gay people.
As far as the LGBT+ struggle in China goes, conditions simply aren't the sort that create radicals; you don't get stonewall and eventually LGBT+ protections if cops aren't actively harassing LGBT+ people. Oppression takes different vectors and they have a different path forward.
If the USSR was only as good as the West today, it's not worth simping over.
If socialism takes redfash cops harassing LGBT+ people before they take revolutionary action against the state, it's not worth simping over.
Abolish the state outright and embrace Anarchy.
Interesting take. In my mind, any project that has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty and given them self-determination despite near-constant existential attacks from capitalists is laudable. Like, obviously no communist state was/is perfect, but almost all of them were/are better than the contemporary capitalist states.
I'm sure that was a great consolation for all the LGBTQ people persecuted by nominally communist regimes.
Double gulag!
Even worse is when the right one also has Putin, the leader of the Iranian regime, etc. (cough cough Dessalines)
So communism is when council communism (understandable), anarchism (huh?) and german idealism (wtf)?
Lenin also has no right to be on the same side as people who took and bastardized his work.....
Anarchism is pretty compatible with Marxism. Marx defined communism as a classless stateless society, which is also the idea of anarchism.
Now I would argue that Lenin didn't act in the interest of Marx. He formed his vanguard party, that surpressed and killed political dissidents (anarchists for example), but curiously never gave the power back to the people. So he wasn't really a Marxist, he may have believed that, but in the end he was pretty much just a dictator in my opinion.
This is straight up nonsense, while anarchism and communism broadly share the same goals, they fundamentally oppose one another fundamentally (such as on DOTP, economy, power, etc.). There's an entire page of Marx & Engels texts attacking anarchism (which should indicate their compatibility), and I'd at least recommend reading The Poverty of Philosophy on the matter. There's also Lessons from the Counter-Revolution, Spain 1936 which isn't a critique of anarchism as a whole but does show how non-stalinist communists view anarchists in practice.
The entire second paragraph, though, completely misunderstands marxist theory. Too lazy to respond in detail myself rn, but Revolution Summed Up, specifically the 1917 part shows how Lenin and Bolsheviks were fully consistent with Marxism, and later parts make good arguments as to why counter-revolution took over (hint: it's not due to some anarchistic notion of "no power to the people").
This is such a classic tankie response. "I basically have no real arguments, but just read these 10 books about theory, trust me bro they agree with me".
That's exactly how my conspiracy minded friend argued with me back in the day: "Just trust me, I can't explain why you're wrong, but you have to watch this 2 hour Youtube video with me and then you'll understand why the earth is flat".
If you can't even give me real arguments that support your position you either haven't properly understood the literature you're talking about or are knowingly lying.
Ah piss off, you literally wrote an opinion that's just straight up wrong and directly contradicts Marx's own writings, and now you're getting angry that I didn't spend 100x more effort than you writing up some wall of text that nobody is going to read.
Sorry for the absolutely unreasonable suggestion to actually read and learn before acting like an expert on the topic.
Just so you know his argument was a good faith one. He posed his opinion then backed it up with actual first party documentation on the specific topic. Do you have any idea how hard that is to actually do in philosophy? The person should receive a legitimate physical award to sit on a shelf for making the first cogent researched argument ever posted on the internet. And I am only being hyperbolic about that last bit.
Anarchist communism has been the most common kind of anarchist thought throughout the years.
Also Lenin was an opportunist who killed communists because they opposed his counter revolutionary state.
You might be conflating anarcho socialists with communists there.
Tbh, I think my anarchist friends here would find a lot to appreciate in Mao.
I once heard Maoism jokingly described as "Anarcho-Stalinism" and that comes from Mao's insistence, via The Mass Line and the Cultural Revolution, that the party should always root itself in the masses, and that the masses, in turn, should act as a check on the party's petty bourgeois elements.
He's very interested in the dialectical relationship between top-down and bottom-up structures in revolution,and how they interact
And anarchists are more interested in destroying the top/bottom approach and focusing on the sideways interactions.
Just as capitalism will always exploit, so will the state. Systems where we must constantly battle to keep them under control while we offload our duties onto them are bound to fail over time.
True. And its sad
Putting Gonzalo under Castro, and Pol Pot above Trotsky, Kim Jong Il as the connector between Pol Pot and Mao
This is bait
Those are no “connectors”, those are images. There is no deep meaning in their placement.
And this isn’t bait, it’s an anarchist meme. Hard to bait people who aren’t allowed here.
You don't allow any kind of communism?
Look at the left side of the image or the sidebar. We allow all communism outside of Marxist-Leninism and its derivative (Maoism, Juche, etc)
Looks like the left side were all defeated by capitalist states, too.
How is this more bad than capitalism we already have?
How is authority more bad than authority? It’s not, it’s all authority.
Capitalism is one problem with authoritarian systems, it is not the only problem.
You can leave the country if you don't like capitalism. You won't get shot in back for it. Your family won't be executed.
You can say fuck Biden, or fuck trump, and you won't get sent to gulag for it (yet).
There's levels of bad and communist dictatorships are quite the pinnacle.
I’m sure you can say fuck Biden or fuck Trump in communism too?
I love that joke!
You can say fuck Biden, or fuck trump, and you won't get sent to gulag for it (yet).
Until 2020 you could get up to 5 years of prison in the Netherlands (same for our head of state). Now you can still can get up to 6 months. Or a nice visit by the police. (Friend said some not nice things on Instagram about Netanyahu. Just that he is a fascist and asshole(and he is). They spend a night in jail.)
Is it as bad as a gulag? Probably not. But in Theory I can now go to prison. So no living in a capitalist country doesn't mean I can say whatever I want about people. Including trump or Biden