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Tbf that's lies that make it to court, I've been lied about and had friends also be lied about, but the girls (we were all kids at the time) didn't take it to court, they just tried to assassinate our character and get us shunned for life by everyone we knew without involving the system that would make them prove anything.

Thankfully in my case I had witnesses and in my buddy's he had an alibi, but still, it's a pretty rude thing to lie about. But I think most of the lies shake out like that, they usually don't get reported to the actual authorities, just circulated like a rumor.

this is why i hate the “believe women” thing….
the problem was people not believing women by default… that’s objectively terrible.
doing the exact opposite is also terrible.

(i’ve seen a false accusation too… i also know of people who were SA’d with no investigation and nobody caring)

i’ve also never heard of someone being prosecuted for a false accusation either… it’s all terrible

Were there consequences for the accuser?

This was a preview summary of the data that's awaiting publication by the University of Melbourne. It covered 1,100 people aged 13-17, and has been written by the Professor of Educational Psychology & Learning, Faculty of Education, The University of Melbourne.

Absolutely, I was so frustrated that I couldn't find the data. They didn't show their working so all I have to go on in terms of believing them is their reputation.

At that age young men usually have no concept of violence rooted in reality at any significant numbers. So they assume young girls their ages mostly don't experience violence while thinking violence is the thing from movies and they are ready to dole that out for things that they don't agree with because they think they can change the world overnight at any price.

So asking this group of people is a challenge in of itself. The data and questions are missing, so I call incitement here in service of distracting from the class war and call it a day.

Maybe call the class war the Epstein wars in the future, I think it has a ring to it.

Here is a related study with clearer methodology and survey questions, but it does bundle countries in its age cohort breakdown:

https://mander.xyz/comment/25666102

The number of people jumping in to call adolescent boys morons for having a slightly higher response rate to a very poorly framed question is ridiculous.

The idiots here are the people who wrote the survey.

Of course women lie about domestic violence.

They lie to protect themselves. They lie out of fear.

Some women, though a vanishingly small minority, lie to weaponise the legal system against their partner.

Labelling this acknowledgment of reality, which has nuance to it, as extremist is just going to make more young men hostile to feminism.

the banner photo has them looking like thugs, so you think the article has a slant about how young men are evil blah balh.

the entire article is a frames itself as 'awareness of evil young men' piece and equates young men 'not being feminists' to be alt-right.

It's a trash sensationalist article, drumming up gender war bullshit and fear. I have two young nephews, who basically refuse to date because their experiences with women have been so full of drama and misery they decided to just give up. They are 16 and 17. They aren't feminists either. They'd rather game whit their friends and play sports because it's rewarding and fun, dating for them has been miserable and exhausting and depressing because the girls they know incessantly lie and cause drama and try to cause fights.

I feel bad for them because when I was their age, there was no social media an dating was fun. They live in an age where teenage girls basically think all men are trash for not driving Bentley's or whatever nonsense they follow on social media. There is a lot of toxic content aimed at women that is just as awful as the manosphere, but nobody is talking about pointing out horrible sexist content that is for women is 'misogyny'

Yeah I'm curious how it was asked.

Cause of course women get abused that 100% is true, but there are definitely some women who lie about it. How many? Who knows. I would like to say only a few but I have no data to support it, I can only say it's most likely non-zero.

Right from the start I will state I know the plural of anecdote isn't evidence. But I have a friend who has given up teaching year 11/12 athletic development and now teaches grade 7 pe. Primary reason is the mysoginistic shit she had to put up with from the boys who felt their gender made them better at anything sports related than her. She would compete in triathlon in her spare time with all the training & commitment that entails, and yet the podgy, vaping 18yo man children would tell jokes with each other about how she should go back to the kitchen "where she belongs".

When we were discussing this amongst a group that included 3 other female teachers every one of them agreed they are seeing more of that sort of crap every year. My guess would be all the Manosphere brainrot is having an effect. Couple that with kids around that age feeling the urge to be as edgy as possible...

I have noticed once or twice that my sons have started talking that way due to a combination of online and peer influence and I have stepped in to disabuse them of the notion that their chromosomes make them special or superior. But it's the world they live in and I pity the kids without a parent who is keeping any eye on them.

Had me in the first half.

Questionable methodologies aside, I think you're right about this and it's an important point. So many people want to treat misogyny like it's the personal failing of individuals, when the problem is radicalization. People act like these are inherently disturbed people who would have arrived at their hateful opinions no matter what influences they were exposed to. That's basically an essentialist take and doesn't acknowledge the complexities of human psychology and development.

You can't address a cultural or societal issue at merely the individual level, because it's like rescuing starfish from tide pools. For every one that you save, there's always a million more. And personal shaming doesn't help the situation at all.

So many young men and adolescent boys are vulnerable to this radicalization because they've been ostracized from their peer groups. They commiserate about their situations with others like themselves. And these predatory manosphere influencers know this and they capitalize on it.

People throw around "incel" like it's not only an insult, but also this morally repugnant and irredeemable sort of subhuman thing. How does that encourage anyone to self-examine and decide to do better? Society has already rejected them and made it clear that it will never open its doors to them again. And it even emphasizes that it's outside of their control, i.e. involuntary.

How is that supposed to cultivate healthier views of women? It's literally telling men "You're worthless because you can't get laid." How do you expect them to react to that in any way other then "Oh gee, then I guess I'd better learn how to get laid." And then they start down an algorithmic rabbit hole of "dating coaches" and pick-up artists which sucks them into the manosphere grift.

Every time I see "incel" used as an insult or approbation I flinch a little, because it only cements the demise of healthy gender relations a little more each time.

These people started as socially awkward weirdos and loners. They were bullied and ostracized, and turned to the only spaces where they felt accepted. It's no wonder they wound up being negged and radicalized by predatory grifters.

I've pointed this out multiple times all along the way while witnessing this slow downfall, and people always say the same things. "Redpill/blackpill chud INCEL, no one likes you, these people aren't worth defending, no one healthy or reasonable would let themselves be radicalized, or maybe if they weren't inherently flawed they wouldn't be friendless to begin with, etc. etc. etc." and it all boils down to the same thing: conform or die; the friendless deserve no pity.

It's fucking hopeless...

I see comments ranging across the spectrum. Some uncritically accepting the interpretations in the article and calling the respondents nazis, others questioning the research methodology such as how exactly those survey questions were phrased and whether the response simply boils down to negating an absolute.

That might be called many things, but I wouldn't call it a narrow frame of reference.