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40% of teenage boys believe women lie about domestic and sexual violence: new research
(theconversation.com)
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Read the comments in this thread, read this:
"Social research has shown boys and men increasingly feel alienated, humiliated or uncertain about their place in the world."
We just need to call young men stupid one more time guys and gender equality will be achieved. No wonder they feel they're being lied to.
The number of people jumping in to call adolescent boys morons for having a slightly higher response rate to a very poorly framed question is ridiculous.
The idiots here are the people who wrote the survey.
Of course women lie about domestic violence.
They lie to protect themselves. They lie out of fear.
Some women, though a vanishingly small minority, lie to weaponise the legal system against their partner.
Labelling this acknowledgment of reality, which has nuance to it, as extremist is just going to make more young men hostile to feminism.
Yeah from how it has been worded "has there ever been a woman that lies about sexual assault" is a valid interpretation of the prompt and unsurprisingly anyone interpreting it that way will answer "yes, absolutely." Who knows how many of those people actually harbour misogynistic beliefs though.
Training boys to be douchebags is why this is happening.
Yeah they're being courted by the far right because the far right aren't calling them idiots. Really not that hard to grasp.
The far right are calling them idiots which is the weird thing. You ever pay attention to how those influencers speak to them? They basically neg these kids.
Good point, I would be interested in learning more about that. I feel like it may be because the insult is always a precursor to their actual message. For example "you're a loser with no girlfriend, but it's because women only respect alpha males. Here's how you become one..." It uses their insecurity to sell them misogyny and right wing ideology. I think structurally different to and mentally easier to accept than how a man might be insulted from a left wing perspective. Example: "you're a loser with no girlfriend because you're an incel who hates women."
Objectively the left wing one is closer to the truth and heeding its advice would be more likely to socialise them and put them on the path of finding love and companionship, but it's pretty obvious to see which of the two a young inexperienced and insecure man would be more likely to follow.
I think your intuition is 100% right, there. It's always easier to hear "it's not your fault" and they know this.
I see. They are douchebags because people observed they are douchebags. That makes sense, if you are a fucking moron. The real test is to determine if me pointing out that you are a moron has actually turned you into one.
Well, reply so we can see.
If you didn't think I was already a moron why would you call me one? Are you really incapable of seeing how difficult it is for me to engage constructively with your argument while you are constantly interweaving it with personal attacks? I couldn't ask for a better example of how calling people dumb makes it hard for them to engage with your ideas. Again, no wonder young men with no experience are being entrapped by the far right.
Yes, this is a stupid post because it was made by a person that was called a moron, not because it was made by a person that is actually a moron.
What are you even talking about mate?
People who are treated like outcasts behave like outcasts. The judgment becomes self-fulfilling.
The solution to this problem is inclusiveness and socialization, not further judgment and ostracization.
Its not anyone else's job to fix you.
It is not any one individual's responsibility to fix any other particular individual, true.
Rather, it is the community's responsibility to care for the community. All of the community.
If you start declaring some members of the community to be undeserving of care, then you are no better than the fascists.
How very American of you.
I agree with the statement at face value, but add, without a proper support system, its impossible to do the inner work for yourself. We need external support, and we have to try for ourselves.
The whole, lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink. Dont mean we shouldnt still help em get to the water.
‘Teenage boys should get to say wildly misogynistic things with no social repercussions’ is absolutely not how you wind up with men who have normal relationships with women.
Or…. ‘Teenage boys repeating the lies they been told by only group not shaming them for existing.’
They are victims of the circumstances, but because they are male, too many people act like its it’s okay to blame them.
Who said that?
Some moron on lemmy.
today's letter is M, for Moron
apparently
Link?
Its easy to find. Click on your username. Go to "comments," its probably three or four down.
Nice, if it's real easy to find you should have no problem doing it then. Good luck!