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[–] ekky@sopuli.xyz 52 points 1 month ago

Well, get to it then! Ain't got all year.

[–] upstroke4448@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I think its great that Europe is looking to rely less on US tech but nothing about whats going on with Europe (especially within the EU) makes me think privacy is a focus.

[–] Darkmoon_AU@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)
[–] Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

GDPR is nice and all, but people have been fighting chat control and all its hydra heads for years now, so no.

But I'm an American so what do I know?

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[–] FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

That reminds me of a quote I heard once. Probably from Cory Doctorow but I cannot remember now.

"Everyone wants you to have privacy... just not from them."

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah? Because Chat Control is still a thing. And age verification as well, but the EU won't outsource that to 3rd parties (we have EIDAS for that).

[–] Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 3 points 1 month ago

Companies that have had their whole data on Google/MS servers for 20 years certainly don't care for privacy the way you and I do. But they are certainly realizing that US providers are not the way to go. Baby steps I guess.

[–] turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

I think many companies are basically stuck with Microsoft (Excel, Word, Teams, Sharepoint, Onedrive etc). Switching to something else is going to be a pretty serious project. It's going to be expensive and time consuming.

Totally worth doing IMO, but convincing the CEO is another matter. I guess we need a cautionary tale before the executives decide to reserve a few million euros into rebuilding a significant part of the IT infrastructure.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It'll help when governments stop accepting or just blocking links to onedrive and sharepoint, and file formats that are not open. Then companies are forced into using alternatives instead of just blindly using microsoft, or don't work for any government project again.

[–] turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub 4 points 1 month ago

Now there’s a business opportunity. When companies are that screwed, they’ll start the project immediately. That’s when system migration consults get rich.

[–] Beherit@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Just have companies get tax reductions if they use EU only software. Voila, it’s done within months - to the shock of every it- admin out there.

[–] turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub 2 points 1 month ago

Yep. Money steers the decision making process. Politics determines how money works, and companies just go with the flow.

[–] fierysparrow89@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Convincing CEOs is not our job. In general they have neither the obligation nor the habbit to take anything else other than their KPIs into consideration. Convincing elected polititians to legistlate is our job.

Some know already, some will bow to reason, many will do whatever keeps them elected. People will need to re-learn to play the long game.

[–] turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I totally agree with you. Politics is the correct arena for this.

Those who work at the IT department of a company have some authority in this matter too, and they can convince the executives to channel the resources for the migration. If you're in any other part of the organization tree, your words have less weight.

If laws are written first, and companies react after that, it's not going to be a very smooth landing, but I still think this is the most likely outcome. Ideally, smart IT people in various companies would bring this up as a potential risk to daily operations. This way, companies would have more time to react before the laws are enforced.

My guess is, most executives won't give any money to a migration project of this magnitude unless the future of the company depends on it. There needs to be some sort of impending doom in the horizon, before they start reacting. Maybe massive fines or a total collapse of the IT infrastructure would do it.

[–] fierysparrow89@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sadly, besides the bottom line, the only universally relaible motivator for an organization is legislation.

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[–] morto@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago

If they put all the effort they use to change things in favor of ai to migrate to software alternatives, it would be a perfectly viable project

[–] bobzer@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Excel is the biggest hurdle to overcome. No other spreadsheet software comes close to providing the same amount of features and functionality.

[–] turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Can confirm! Calc is fine as long as you’re not trying to do anything too advanced. Then again, when you bump into those limits, you might want to consider switching to R or Python anyway. Excel just allows you to delay that inevitability a little bit longer.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

This is the real thing of it. By the time you reach that you shouldn't be using a damn spreadsheet program.

At least for greenfield set it up right now. There's plenty of actual programs that do things theyre supposed to.

[–] Ferk@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I mean, you can run python (or their own language "LibreOffice Basic") from within a Libreoffice Calc sheet.

Calc's scripting is actually more powerful than the aging VBA thing Excel uses for macros, imho.

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[–] fierysparrow89@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

So I keep hearing... Yet, I'm having a hard time believing that most people are even aware of those fancy features, let alone use any of them.

I accept that there are important models implemented as excel sheets. Reimplementing or even attempting to migrate away is viewed as risk. But this is a different argument.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

And a lot of people don't need all those features.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This is the main problem, changing the infrastructure in companies which use Windows, Certainly Microsoft EU is way more privacy focused (forced by law) than Microsoft US which use even keyloggers and sharing data with Towerdata and a lot of others. But this, even so, companies and administrations use more and more alternatives to Windows apps and services The EU has tons of good and even better alternatives to those from US corps, it's not a tecnical problem, but an political and burocratic one for companies and administrations to change, not so for the normal user, who can easily change his setup to his like from a huge catalogue of EU soft and services.

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[–] atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

I just wish that the narrative would focus more on the anti-competitive behavior of these firms to make sure we don’t fall into the same monopolistic trap in Europe. We need variety, we need competition. Focus on standards, low switching costs, and allow reverse engineering.

[–] darkmogool@feddit.org 13 points 1 month ago

don't talk about it… do it!

[–] macattack@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

FYI, Proton CEO also caught flak for praising Trump picks, so they are playing both sides of the field FYI

[–] peacefulpixel@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

in that article (which i had to use the Bypass Paywalls Clean extension to comfortably read) Proton states "we do not comply with US subpoenas from either party." which of course is because they comply fully with Swiss subpoenas LOL

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[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It will never happen as long as slugs like van der Leyen or Merz are running the show. These people are completely incompetent.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

No.

Merz and von der Leyen are extremely competent, they just don't pursue the goals they say they do. They may even belief that they are pursuing other goals than they really do.

They believe in trickle down economics despite all evidence pointing to it making everything worse. In their pursuit of economic growth, they do the exact thing that in their model should boost, but in reality stifles growth. They increase the wealth redistribution from the poor and middle class to the rich.

And they are so damn good at it. That's the reason money has put them in their current positions.

They are extremely competent in doing the wrong thing.

[–] IratePirate@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They believe in trickle down economics despite all evidence pointing to it making everything worse.

It is high time we switch to Pinata economics.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Europe is not ready for what that will cost.

[–] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

Sure it is. It's the US that's not ready for what it will cost...

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

France is switching from Microsoft Office to Libre Office right now for government employees, and it's saving them money in licensing fees.

Once the transition is finished, they're projected to save millions each year from just that switch

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[–] IratePirate@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Europe is not ready for what that will cost.

Not true. We've seen the U.S. leverage big tech against its perceived enemies by shutting them down remotely. Unless Europe bends over backwards to serve the U.S. fascists' every whim, this form of blackmail-by-proxy is going to continue, and it's only going to get worse.

So the calculation is not: "cost of switching" vs. "cost of continuing the existing vendor lock-in".

It is: "cost of switching" vs. "cost of shutting down operations for good".

It's really easy maths if you break it down to its core. It's maths that even the most bone-headed of our leaders and business "experts" can do.

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[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

oh god.... we have built everything on microsoft stuff and the higher ups insist that anything that legally can be hosted on the cloud be migrated to azure. This will cause us (the actual workers) untold levels of pain if it were mandated by the eu.

I still wish it does become mandatory though

[–] nodiratime@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile, my employer decided to switch from a self made Linux platform (with it's pitfalls due to the usual "it's free, why should we put so much money into maintenance" reasoning) to Microslop. I and multiple other people warned them, again and again.

[–] PeroBasta@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mentally ready. Actually not ready at all.

[–] maplesaga@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Given they broke their own procurement laws to choose US tech companies for their cloud infrastructure its definitely silly.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Please do, hurt these tech Oligarchs where it hurts!

[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The title rubs me the wrong way. "Private alternatives" implies the US tech isn't privately owned.

[–] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 50 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think you misread it. "Private", as in "privacy".

[–] turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub 3 points 1 month ago

The company is private, but your data isn't.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The alternatives don't have to be perfect. Reducing the dominance of any single country is a good thing.

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[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

France is. The EU is working on trying to get EU-made solutions in use. Switzerland is not in the EU and neither is the UK.

Now that we established this, we can have a productive conversation.

[–] Justifier@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah

I agree with the misworded commenter

Europe ditches US Based tech and software for stuff they control, so they can better enforce their insane privacy invasion laws better more like

Let's not forget most of the swill age verification legislation around the globe is originating from the EU, and that privacy/encryption focused software groups are fleeing the region (see proton) due to their mallegislation

[–] SW42@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Proton is leaving Switzerland afaik, to operate in the EU. You’re not wrong about the shit the EU is trying to pull with mass surveillance and de-anonymization. Yeae fornyear it geta struck down by courts, but the fuckers try and try.

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[–] demeritum@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Doubt it, honestly. The NSA has a Consolidated Intelligence Center in Wiesbaden as well as Darmstadt’s Dagger Complex just a stones throw away from Frankfurt the center of EU finance and logistical hub. Any alternative will be compromised with these bases remain.

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