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[–] ejs@piefed.social 100 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Most arguments people make against AI are in my opinion actually arguments against capitalism. Honestly, I agree with all of them, too. Ecological impact? A result of the extractive logic of capitalism. Stagnant wages, unemployment, and economic dismay for regular working people? Gains from AI being extracted by the wealthy elite. The fear shouldn’t be in the technology itself, but in the system that puts profit at all costs over people.

Data theft? Data should be a public good where authors are guaranteed a dignified life (decoupled from the sale of their labor).

Enshittification, AI overview being shoved down all our throats? Tactics used to maximize profits tricking us into believing AI products are useful.

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (13 children)

AI is just a tool like anything else. What's the saying again? "AI doesn't kill people, capitalism kills people?

I do AI research for climate and other things and it's absolutely widely used for so many amazing things that objectively improve the world. It's the gross profit-above-all incentives that have ruined "AI" (in quotes because the general public sees AI as chatbots and funny pictures, when it's so much more).

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Are you talking about AI or LLM branded as LLM?

Actual AI is accurate and efficient because it is designed for specific tasks. Unlike LLM which is just fancy autocomplete.

[–] 8andage@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Even llms are useful for coding, if you keep it in its auto complete lane instead of expecting it to think for you

Just don't pay a capitalist for it, a tiny, power efficient model that runs on your own pc is more than enough

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes technology can be useful but that doesn't make it "intelligent."

Seriously why are people still promoting auto-complete as "AI" at this point in time? It's laughable.

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[–] zd9@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

LLMs are part of AI, so I think you're maybe confused. You can say anything is just fancy anything, that doesn't really hold any weight. You are familiar with autocomplete, so you try to contextualize LLMs in your narrow understanding of this tech. That's fine, but you should actually read up because the whole field is really neat.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Literally, LLMs are extensions of the techniques developed for autocomplete in phones. There's a direct lineage. Same fundamental mathematics under the hood, but given a humongous scope.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Data theft? Data should be a public good where authors are guaranteed a dignified life (decoupled from the sale of their labor).

I've seen it said somewhere that, with the advent of AI, society has to embrace UBI or perish, and while that's an exaggeration it does basically get the point across.

[–] draco_aeneus@mander.xyz 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think that AI is as disruptive as the steam engine, or the automatic loom, or the tractor. Yes, some people will lose their jobs (plenty of people have already) but the amount of work that can be done which will benefit society is near infinite. And if it weren't, then we could all just work 5% fewer hours to make space for 5% unemployment reduction. Unemployment only exists in our current system to threaten the employed with.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You might be right about the relative impact of AI alone, but there are like a dozen different problems threatening the job market all at once. Added up, I do think we are heading towards a future where we have to start rethinking how our society handles employment.

A world where robots do most of the hard work for us ought to be a utopia, but as you say, capitalism uses unemployment as a threat. If you can't get a job, you starve and die. That has to change in a world where we'll have far more people than jobs.

And I don't think it's as simple as just having us all work less hours - every technological advancement that was once said would lead to shorter working hours instead only ever led to those at the top pocketing the surplus labor.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I hate AI because it's a waste of finite resources.

I hate it because it's supported by a system of corruption and greed that is destroying the economy.

I hate it because all major AI vendors have supported or abetted criminals in circumventing democracy worldwide.

I hate it because it isn't AI, it's a LLM.

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[–] Kacarott@aussie.zone 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean, I find the tech fascinating and probably would like it, except that I hate the way it was created, the way it is peddled, the things it is used for, the companies who use it, the way it "talks", the impact it has had on society, the impact it has on the environment, the way it is monetised, and the companies who own it.

And all that makes it difficult to "just appreciate the tech"

[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago (17 children)
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[–] Cuboos@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't hate AI, in fact i think it could be very useful. But i can't help but notice that it's critics are mostly correct and it's proponents are a bunch of fucking morons.

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[–] inari@piefed.zip 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm neutral-positive toward local AI, not so much toward Clawd-style agents impersonating humans on the web

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

With openclaw and moltbook recently, the threat of taking many white collar jobs has shaken me to the core. My job may be gone in the next few years, and I do AI research directly...

[–] mrmaplebar@fedia.io 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I hate "AI" because it's been built of the forced exploitation of untold millions of artists and creative laborers, without even so much as consent, let alone compensation...

[–] Endmaker@ani.social 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

forced exploitation of untold millions of artists and creative laborers, without even so much as consent, let alone compensation...

In this case, is it AI that you truly hate?

I think this comment said it best.

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

You hate this narrow use of AI in the commercial space . AI is so much larger and is used in many more amazing things that actually improve humanity than just making funny pictures and chatbots to squeeze more profit out of consumers. I know this because I've researched AI for climate for a long time now.

[–] BillyTheKid@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sounds to me like you hate capitalism, not some ones and zeros

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[–] bibbasa@piefed.social 12 points 1 month ago

i was a vocal synth nerd before i was a fedi/foss nerd. we've been doing ai since before the ai bubble, and i think vocal synths are a good example of ethical ai.

vocal synths are still a creative tool where you compose the music, lyrics and expression yourself, but the ai engine makes the voice more realistic sounding. you purchase "voice banks" which are effectively training data for a single voice and this voice bank comes from a "voice provider" who is a paid singer that will record samples for the vocal synth engine. a lot of voice providers request to have the voice bank "characterized" to sound different from themselves, and the vocal synth company will do so. compare KAF to KAFU CEVIO.

this is a process based entirely on consent, something openai and the rest of them lack, they just send out an army of scrapers to take anything and everything they can get their hands on, consent be damned.

actually speaking of KAF, i was excited because KAFU was coming to synth v, since i don't have CEVIO. but unfortunately, KAFU SV was cancelled because the synth v ai engine made her sound too much like herself, and most likely they couldn't modify the voice bank to sound differently enough and they cancelled it. at least, that's the prevailing theory.

[–] Xyphius@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I hate "A.I." because it's not A.I. it's an if statement stapled to a dictionary.

Also because I can't write the short name of Albert without people thinking I'm talking about A.I.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Fr. Allen Iverson is in shambles on brand recognition.

[–] Flying_Penguin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

Al uses AI because Al is AI

[–] tranzystorek_io@beehaw.org 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

There is no "AI".

That deception is the main ingredient in the snake oil.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't understand the desire to argue against the terms being used here when it fits both the common and academic usages of "AI"

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There is no autonomy. It’s just algorithmic data blending, and we don’t actually know how it works. It would be far better described as virtual intelligence than artificial intelligence.

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[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Does it run on something that's modelled on a neural net? Then it's AI by definition.

I think you're confusing AI with "AGI".

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[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

please let me know if there's a more appropriate one.

!fuck_ai@lemmy.world maybe

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nah those guys hate (gen)AI because it's (gen)AI, or for other reasons that are ultimately intrinsic to the tech such as the intellectual property aspect.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

I agree that it's foolish to hate tech per se. I think lots of people wind up promoting the grift of "AI" through misguided opposition.

But that's not everybody in that comm. People hate "AI" for a variety of reason.

As far as I am concerned I am going to do the opposite of anything Sam Altman says. He is the ultimate snake oil salesman. He sold this trash to Microsoft, which I guess these days is pretty on brand.

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