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"there's too many people too sustain our way of life" (quokk.au)

submitted 2 days ago by Deceptichum@quokk.au to c/mop@quokk.au

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We live in an environment of planned obsolescence and mindless consumerism. A high quality of life can be achieved for everyone globally if we wanted to do so. Instead we sustain a system designed to extract 'profit' as it's driving virtue.

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[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It is true that lower populations would help mitigate climate change.

But it's also true that a lot of the people going around making that point are doing it because they think they have a clever 'final solution' to the problem that just so happens to involve getting rid of the kinds of people they don't like.

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 days ago

Lower populations…. Of billionaires

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My favorite response to "We need another plague" is "So you're volunteering to be patient zero?"

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The people most would advocate be removed from the population haven't been born yet. I'm pretty sure they don't object.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I keep trying to unpack the meaning of this in my head but I cant. What are you saying?

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm saying that most people who want to reduce the population are not advocating for killing anyone. All it takes is people deciding to have one less child than they might otherwise have had. No call for volunteers necessary.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Most, fine. A powerful few who are yelling it from every tree top whilst they themselves are having multiple kids, smells like a plot to ensure that their kids inherit the earth

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Oh, absolutely. Eugenicists absolutely exist. I wouldn't argue otherwise. The point is that not everyone concerned about population is one. In fact, most eugenicists today are ringing the panic bell about population decline.

[–] silver13@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Reducing the numbers of humans on earth would not make any significant long term difference. As long as infinite growth is the core principle of the worlds biggest economies, it doesnt matter how many people there are. We would still at some point overstep all planetary boundaries.

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

We should stop having children, in general. That's not eugenics, it's just empathy.

[–] whats_a_lemmy@midwest.social 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ecofascism

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago

Wait until you see what ecofascism really looks like as we wring the last bits of juice out of the planet.

Yeah, it's the imperial states doing the vast majority of the extraction, but here is the thing, people in exploited states almost universally want to live more like people in wealthy nations, and people in wealthy nations don't want to live like people in exploited states. I've never heard a solution to that problem that isn't just another form of ecofascism.

A culture that non-coercively encourages people to have one less kid than they otherwise would is the only path I see that doesn't ultimately depend on autocracy.