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[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

As others have said, the best way to handle this is to try and figure out what this customer thinks a macchiato is by asking them instead of resorting to shamanistic divination rituals.

It's still rude of them to be such a self-entitled blowhard about it but I guess that's par for the course.

This would also explain why American service staff are so friendly and forthcoming to me whenever I have a request. I'm always nice and patient about it and try to explain my wishes clearly without the stupid attitude. I apologize when I've made a mistake and invite constructive resolution of the issue. Works like a charm.

You try that with euro waiters or other service staff and they'll just tell you that's not how we do it (fuck me, right 😑).

[–] lohky@lemmy.world 29 points 17 hours ago

Cunts used to do this shit at Starbucks all the time.

"This isn't a macchiato."

"Sure but Starbucks thinks it is. You can tell me how you'd like your drink or I can refund your drink."

Worked 99% of the time, unless someone just wanted to argue. In that case, they just got refunded and asked to leave. Our store was almost all regulars and we didn't have a drive-through, so we didn't have to deal with this shit much.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 116 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's just another way to degrade and demean the employees.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 35 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Service employees are not human.

You can't degrade that which has no value.

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Why does this have so many upvotes?

[–] oascany@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like I'm missing something

[–] mech@feddit.org 12 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

You've stumbled upon a very rare phenomenon:
a sarcastic comment that was correctly understood by most readers, without an
/s.

[–] SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space 10 points 22 hours ago

value is in the eye of the desiring

[–] in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social 93 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

The WORST service is at places like this. I want to assume the expertise and competency of every person I interact with. Especially in the service industry. The best service I get is terse, direct, and professional. I don't need my fucking barista to pretend they like me. I need them to get through the 15 fucking orders before mine in a timely fashion so I can get on with the rest of my day. And if some dickhead doesn't know what a machiato is, he can get his happy ass to the back of the line and order it again.

Barring allergies or medical issues, shut the fuck up and move on. If getting the wrong coffee is the worst thing to happen to you in a day you're living a pretty charmed life.

But then again, I did get fired from Starbucks as a teen.

[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I want to assume the expertise and competency of every person I interact with. Especially in the service industry. The best service I get is terse, direct, and professional

I don't understand why more people aren't like this. When I am interacting with someone who is at work, the trait I want to see the most is knowledgeable, not friendly.

If I'm dealing with you in a professional capacity it's because I have something I need from you. I'm looking for a result, not a conversation. And if my dumb ass is wrong about something then I want to be told why. That will force me to question my assumptions and possibly save me from mistakes in the future.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Because they don't come for coffee, they come to be waited on.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 10 points 21 hours ago

This is why I much prefer restaurants in places where tipping doesn't happen.

There's no BS about the waiter/waitress pretending to be your friend. There's no organizing the restaurants by sections with one waiter/waitress covering only their section, whoever's available when someone needs something deals with it. When your food is ready, any waiter/waitress around will grab it and bring it to the table. Also, because the places don't depend on tips, they don't care as much about how the waiter or waitress looks. That means people tend to stick around for longer, they know the food, they're good at the job, and because they don't need to keep flattering you, they can be honest.

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Great, now I have to watch classic Fry QI for the next 3 hours.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

You can be both, ya know? You can be competent and okay to be around.

[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 11 points 21 hours ago

oh, absolutely. Friendliness is not unwelcome.

But given the choice of dealing with someone who is competent but unfriendly, or incompetent and friendly, I would take the former over the latter 10 times out of 10

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[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 10 points 22 hours ago

Thats okay. I got fired from Starbucks because I told everyone who would listen that forces people to write an endearing message on every cup completely ruins any impact they may have.

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[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

As an aside, I work inpatient psychiatry where it's not so much that they're always right as much as that it's pointless and even counterproductive to argue. In those situations you don't say "but this is a-" you say "I really wanna talk over the details of how to get you exactly what you want" then try to elicit the details of (to use this example) what they think a macchiato is.

Now, the reason I prefer working inpatient psychiatry as opposed to costumer service is that when they start yelling I get to say "oh, my apologies. I'll come back when you're more ready to talk about this!" and just leave. And then if they follow me to keep yelling...

The list of things I'm not allowed to do will always be longer than the list of things the waiter is legally not allowed to do. The waiter can legally just fight back, and I'm never allowed to do that. But the second they become significantly verbally threatening or physically threatening in any way, the list of things I'm not allowed to do to someone as part of my job suddenly becomes much shorter than the waiter's.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 8 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

You know, if waiters could call a code and administer a 10-2-50 on unruly customers, we'd probably see fewer outbursts.

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Admittedly a lot of people think "voluntary" makes this a customer service situation where I'm not allowed to do that when the reality is that I just have to call somebody afterward to decide whether we're changing their status to involuntary or kicking them out and calling the cops.

In that exact moment where I judge a threat to self or others I'm 100% allowed to use my judgment to neutralize the threat provided I a) maintain their hemodynamic stability and b) only do what is precisely necessary to neutralize that threat. Now that exact risk assessment doesn't have as much formal training behind it as I think it should but it's also usually at least partially a team decision and if the assigned nurse is newish there's usually at least one nurse involved who has a decade plus experience (unfortunately these days that's usually me). But like I said, there's always a list of things I'm not allowed to do, but once significant threats of or actual violence happens, that list gets very short very quickly.

A lot of people think there's this secret third option where they're just allowed to buck up at my techs and throw things at them and that is just 0% ever a thing. I'll let them get one incidence of bucking up at me or throwing something small at me like a small paperback just so I can truthfully document that I tried to go the least restrictive route, but I never ask my subordinates to take on that risk since they don't have as many options to escape or get the situation back under control.

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[–] starik@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (5 children)

This isn’t what “the customer is always right” is supposed to mean. It means that the customer is always right when it comes to matters of taste, for their own subjective experience. If some guy wants to buy a puke green car, don’t tell him it’s ugly. Just sell it to him. On the other hand, if the customer is convinced that cars don’t need brakes and is insisting you remove them before he’ll buy it, tell him to go away.

“This macchiato is terrible!” “I’m sorry. No charge. Can I get you something else?”

“This isn’t a macchiato.” “It’s the only kind we have.”

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 25 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (8 children)

Macchiato is a special case though. A traditional Italian macchiato is a very specific thing. It looks like this:

It’s a shot of espresso with a little bit of steamed milk added.

On the other hand, Starbucks has popularized a completely different drink that they call a macchiato:

Which is basically a large cup of frothy steamed milk with a shot of espresso poured into it.

Depending on what they’re used to, people will vastly prefer one over the other. This is usually determined by where they’re from (America or Europe). “The customer is always right in matters of taste” should definitely apply to which one they prefer!

[–] helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Stanno due bevande con il nome "macchiato". Sta espresso macchiato come puoi visto nella premia foto, è latte macchiato come puoi visto nella seconda.

Macchiato means "marked" or "dirtied". One is coffee dirtied with a little foam, and the other is milk dirtied with a little coffee.

[–] jdr@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago

I've sadly had arguments with baristas over this, even when I specify "espresso macchiato" over "latte macchiato". Anyway hai colto nel segno, I bet this is what the problem was.

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[–] RecallMadness@lemmy.nz 1 points 12 hours ago

“I’m sorry sir, we’re all out of macchiato juice tonight. Can I interest you in our house speciality?”

Boom, problem solved.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

tracks with my experiance, in a hardware store you get all these chuckleheads that come in and want "a good ol' bang-a-long" and your like "sir... what is a bang-a-long?" and they throw a ten pound hissy fit and go "how in the gul durn heck of a cats pussy do you not know whahat a fucking bang-along-a-bang-bang is, I'll kill you" and once they're done being a stupid asshole to you they huff off and come back with a hammer and show you what their granddaddy told them is called a "bang-a-dang-a-ding-a-dong-dong" and they can't grasp that the people who make and sell said hammer didn't get that message from Pee-Paa. Then the next lead poisoning victim comes in and asks for an O-ring, and you have the GALL to ask them what they are using it for, and throw their ten pound hissy fit, because they haven't been punched in the mouth enough as an adult I guess, and run off to find one, then come back and show you because you not being able to identify with only "and O-ring" to go off of which one of the 10,000 different size and material O-rings you carry they specifically meant means you have never heard of an O-ring. Then an unfrozen caveman comes in and ask for a telephone installation, which... you don't mind helping him put minutes on his phone with a card, but he actually expects you to install phone lines from the city services to his home, you know, that thing the guy at the key cutting desk is KNOWN to do. traditionally.

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

That isn't what the phrase means, that's a better phrase, but it is a recent invention that was pulled out of someones ass.

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago

Right. The "matters of taste" thing sounds good, but it's been debunked.

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[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 6 points 19 hours ago

The customer is always right, in matters of taste. Is the full version it.

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

When I was a kid, my first real job was at a well known big box store. One time a customer stops me and asks where something is in a department that I'm not familiar with. Back then there were no handheld computers for easily searching inventory.

Customer becomes angry when I can't find what he's looking for so I call the assistant store manager on duty for help. Manager comes over and the customer proceeds to tell him just exactly how stupid he thinks I am.

The manager -- whom I will call "J" -- was a miserable, gruff, chain smoking SOB who is like 6 months from the end of his 36 year career. But he stops the customer mid-tirade and says, "Now wait just a minute. We're happy to help you find what you need but JubilationTCornpone is a fine young man and one of our best associates and I am not going to stand here and listen to you talk about him like that."

The customer leaves in a huff. "J" looks at me and says, "Just because the 'customer is always right' doesn't mean they get to treat you like shit. He can go to hell. We don't need his money."

I never really liked "J" because he was a pain in the ass but he earned my respect for that.

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[–] jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

He wanted it in a paper cup with a layer of Caramel like they make at Starbucks

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

I'm convinced people only go to Starchucks for the sugar squirts. The actual coffee itself is fucking disgusting burnt shit. Why not just sprinkle some ashes and a caffeine pill on the candy of your choice?

I have literally no idea how that chain blew up. Did they used to make good coffee?

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I'd say they invested heavily in stuff like ambiente, cozy chairs, free wifi. If your plan is to be on your laptop in a relatively cozy but impersonal environment, Starbucks is often a better option than more traditional cafés.

Also, it's not just the sugar squirts, but also the absurd coffee-to-milk ratio.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Did they used to make good coffee?

No. It's always been shit. My fellow Americans just don't know what good coffee actually tastes like becsuse it's impossible to get here unless you make it yourself.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago

There are plenty of local shops and chains that make decent to good coffee, but even at the big chain level I swear to fuck I don't understand Sbux. I'm the furthest thing from a picky eater and I really like bitter flavors in general, but even I draw the line at roasting beans to charcoal before brewing. When your coffee is worse than McDs you're really fucking something up.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

I had a hot chocolate at Starbucks once. It tasted like cardboard.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 13 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

"What do you consider a Machiato?" is still "Customer is always right".

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 21 hours ago

You could even phrase it so the "customer is right about what a machiato is", like "I'm sorry, this is what we call a machiato here, can you tell me what you're looking for?"

Hiding behind the bar trying to guess someone's order isn't good customer service. Asking the customer to clarify what they want so you can make it exactly how they like it is good customer service.

[–] JokeDeity@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If a phrase has had half of itself amputated, it's almost always so right wing people can use it as a bullshit justification. Also looking at you Blood is Thicker Than Water.

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago

The Blood of the Covenant is thicker than the Water of the Womb.

[–] jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 20 hours ago

Like "one bad apple spoils the barrel"

Just dismissing criminals in your midst as "bad apples" misses the point. The phrase is meant to say you need to find and get rid of those apples before their corruption spreads to the rest of the barrel.

[–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Funny enough I used to work at a Caribou and those caused issues all the time. People would come in expecting something like the sugar laden thing at Starbucks only get a regular espresso and foam.

The proper traditional version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caff%C3%A8_macchiato

Starbucks take: https://www.starbucks.com/menu/product/413/hot

[–] EpeeGnome@feddit.online 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Both versions are "real" drinks of Italian origin. The problem is that you can't expect to get the correct drink if you only use half of the drink's name. It doesn't help that most Europeans only know of one, and most Americans only know of the opposite one. The cafe macchiato (aka espresso macchiato) is coffee 'marked' with a little milk foam. A latte macchio is foamed milk 'marked' with a little coffee (and optionally also a bunch of sugar). If a menu (or a customer) just says macchiato without specifying which liquid has been marked, then it's best to clarify up front what they mean. I use hand gestures to demonstrate their different sizes when asking. I agree that the cafe macchiatto is the superior beverage, but the ambiguity is the real issue.

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