Absolutely, good write up. Unfortunately, ICE seems to sometimes not care about any of that.
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As do the courts quite often.
There calling it “being detained” for a reason.
You are legally speaking not arrested and also not free to go. Its a legal grey area part of civil and not criminal law.
They don’t need you to be suspect of crime and you can be held indefinitely.
Ah yes, "being detained" in a maximum security concentration camp in another country. Yea no that sounds like it's entirely legal.
Its also worth remembering that the holocaust was also entirely legal. So was slavery.
Legality and morality are distinct concepts.
Ah yes if we just keep using a new synonym every time, that means we have to start all legal arguments from scratch.
Yeah we have no rights under the Trump administration, so none of that means shit. Especially when the courts are bound and determine to back Trump on it all.
Do rights matter right now?
Yes. Certainly there are ICE agents who simply do not care and will gun you down in the street regardless, but this has always been the case. But that’s not the only person you’ll interact with while protesting. By asserting the rights you actually have, you’re more likely to convince the marginal ICE agent, who is still lying to themselves about protecting the constitution, or the police officer who is pretending they’re keeping the peace, or the passer-by who recognizes their rights are contingent on them being held by everyone. And if you end up in front of a judge, which a lot of people are still ending up in front of judges, then protesting in concert with those rights is much more likely to get you off without a booking.
Rights have always been, to some extent, a shared fiction, so the nihilistic impulse to abandon faith in your rights only serves those who intend to infringe them.
More from the ACLU
If they break in my home, I'm not going down quietly. Taking as many with me as I can. Fight back
This needs like 500 asterisks; being a criminal defense attorney is a profession that takes many years to do well, and can't be summed up in a concise list.
That's great and all but THE LAW DOESN'T MATTER ANY MORE WAKE UP PEOPLE
Our rights are being stripped away, we have officially transitioned away from a rule of law nation to rule by law. Its too late for peaceful protest and electoralism, now is the time for real action.
: calmly walks away:
: gets shot in the back of the head with a pepper ball:
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People pretending the US is still a country of laws. Cute, but depressing too.
Before you even get to say 'A', they've already pumped ten bullets into your back
You lost all those rights when "moderates" accepted that only American citizens have some human rights. Good luck proving your rights were infringed from a concentration camp in El Salvador.
Yup. I have The Clash song stuck in my head now.
as long as you're not obstructing traffic
I remember a few idiots blocking the roads. Surprise: I had no sympathy for them when they got their shit kicked in.
Don't obstruct traffic. Simple as is.
Depends on the cause.
If you're protesting against anchovies on pizzas, sure, it might be a bad idea to block the roads.
If you're protesting against unidentified terrorists abducting and killing your neighbors, then you should obstruct the roads to stop them from proceeding with their genocide.
You won't be rewarded for being obedient. They'll come for you next whether or not you followed their law.
But whatever..now we know why the Germans didn't stop the concentration camps in WW2 even if they knew about them: They had to go to work and didn't want to obstruct traffic.
Just don't do sovereign citizen bs.
But don't forget don't talk to cops: https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
I mean.. 'They' have to care about your rights first...
I don't recall what comedian did this joke, but... 'When you ask for a lawyer, make sure you ask for a good lawyer. The last thing you want, is for them to give you a bad one. So ask.'
All of this falls apart when you realize they’re above the law and it doesn’t apply to them.