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[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Is the plan to store these cars they're seizing in your plan somewhere? To sell them?

How much is the cost of seizing and storing a vehicle? How much is the cost of building a place to house these seized vehicles?

Who pays that cost?

Where is such a facility going to be built?

Even if you did sell the vehicles, who gets the proceeds? What stops the person from suing the state or municipality for selling items that don't belong to them?

That's even before we think about the economic impact of these people living in a very car dependant place where that vehicle makes the difference between being able to have access to food and transportation to get to work.

Is the state going to provide shuttles to get these people groceries and to and from work? Who pays for that?

I have a lot of questions about why you'd want it to be okay to seize the property of a person just because they broke the law.

Police can and do already seize and sell assets whether you have committed a crime or not. Usually people want to end such overreach but now you're all the sudden siding with the gestapo in order to seize people's assets because you feel self righteous?

The math doesn't math on this.

What if the car doesn't belong to them? Are we going to suddenly start seizing the assets of someone who leant them the vehicle?

Much better to spend tax payer money to design and implement road features that inhibit speeding.

I don't necessarily disagree with your point. But:

Is the state going to provide shuttles to get these people groceries and to and from work? Who pays for that?

Typically most places call these buses.

I think that most of your point could be alleviated with more and better public transport. Then removal can be a realistic punishment without preventing people from living.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 53 points 8 hours ago (14 children)

You can’t take people’s cars away or they will have no way to make money and live in America

Just the truth sorry

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 29 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

And speed is highly correlated to the lethality of car wrecks. Also, it sounds like the devices wosuld be installed in the cars of people who... speed frequently.

So, it is directly addressing the problem without asset seizure or jail time. Sounds like an ideal solution, actually.

[–] hypna@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Revoking drivers licenses would probably be more appropriate than seizing vehicles. The upside to that is revoking licenses, I'd wager, is a whole lot cheaper than installing and monitoring speed trackers. So long as the person with the speeding problem is paying for that I guess it's acceptable. But then we have yet another example of people without much money getting a raw deal. Means testing? Everything gets complicated when it gets to the implementation details.

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago

I suppose the older I get the more I can get behind this, similar to interlock devices for people that can't control their drinking, I would imagine the offender would have to pay for it or lose their license. I know it seems crazy to force people to stay within the speed limit, but fining and tickets don't work for some people.

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Both options are potentially bad for low-income earners. If you force them to pay for a speed limiter they lost the money for that, which they might not able to afford. If you take away their license they will have difficulty getting around and might lose their job.

So from that perspective the speed limiter might be the less dangerous choice.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

People on a budget can just slow the fuck down. Speeding tickets are not cheap.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Flip that on its head.

Rich people can speed however much they want because who cares about a little fine?

That's why this model sucks.

[–] Ellvix@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Yep. Need tickets proportional to income to solve that, and photo radar to solve acab interactions.

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I feel like the better option is to have local government foot the bill - but the driver owes the value of the device if it's lost or damaged. In theory, insurance would have to cover at least some of this (given it'd be wired into the car) and they can still use their car. AND if they drive safely, they should owe nothing long-term.

That's idealistic though. I'm sure the "tough on crime" crowd would want the individual to foot the bill despite it making everyone safer.

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Or you could go for a tiered scheme where the device is free if the owner's income is below a certain level. There's always options; whether or not they're taken is another question.

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

That's a really good point. Sliding scale payment maybe (with no cap on income - if you make a million bucks a year and are always speeding, you're going to be paying a hefty fine)

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 hours ago

Yup the rich will get around it by hiring a driver and paying them to speed. Or just swapping to one of their other cars that is not limited.

[–] nogooduser@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

In the UK, you can get your license revoked for speeding. You can lose your license if you’re going a lot over the speed limit. If you’re going a bit slower you can get 3 or 6 points and if you get more than 12 points you also lose your license.

It doesn’t seem to do a huge amount to discourage speeding in my experience.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Sure would be a shame if they ended up homeless, then in prison as free labor for any number of companies!

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[–] faltryka@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

This doesn’t seem unreasonable, it’s like interlock devices for repeat drunk drivers.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

Because ticketing is a revenue stream.

What, you thought police ticket people to... protect the general public?

This will be another revenue stream, where the serial speeders have to pay for the install of the device, and likely an ongoing monthly fee for its continued operation.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I knew someone who ran a similar program for DUIs.

It probably wouldn't be a revenue stream for the government.

A private company would buy the equipment and charge the government AND the speeder for the costs, maintenance and monitoring.

Usually when there is a big push for these kinds of enforcement systems, the person pushing for it already has a friend of family member who just happens to do exactly that.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 hours ago

Oh.

Wonderful.

Even better.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

This scheme would reduce ticket revenue, though. And if criminal scofflaws have to pay, good, fuck 'em. The New York taxpayers shouldn't take on the burden. The scumbags could avoid the cost trivially.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

But it would be offset by the massive and recurring income from installing and maintaining the devices by a third party.

Let's see who the companies providing these services are owned by.

Like when ticket cameras in vans became a thing 25 years ago: 80% of the "ticket" went to the camera van company. I say "ticket" because in many US jurisdictions only a police officer can issue a ticket, so these were unenforceable as tickets.

States had to update their laws to add "civil fees" as a thing just for such cameras.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 1 points 5 hours ago

Oh, my heavens, a THIRD PARTY! /s

Yes, these devices cost money to produce, install, and operate. Don't want to pay for one? Stop breaking the law.

[–] unabart@sh.itjust.works 11 points 8 hours ago

They already do this with people who keep getting caught driving hammered. Just slow the fuck down, Andretti. Would be a non-issue. You take the car, they can't go to work like good little indentured servants. 🤣

[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The only answer I can come up with is, if you take their license than they just drive with no license.

[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

That's a very serious crime though. If you get pulled over without a license, it's a several thousand dollar fine.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

And the rich will just pay it and continue, it's the poors that will suffer. But yeah it would be their fault because this would only be used after a number of offences that they could have just slowed down.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

You can't pay to not lose your license, that's not how it works at all.

You should go sit in criminal court for a day.

The reality is many jurisdictions just don't enforce such things very well - there are many cases around the country of people getting their 3rd, 4th, 5th DUI and not losing their license or worse as the law is defined.

And those are often as not, not "rich people".

Frankly judges see so much worse crime in their courts constantly that I think they're hesistant to jail someone who is a mostly functional member of society compared to 90% of everyone else coming through their court.

Then there's also the plea-bargaining process: prosecuting attorneys are directed to plea-bargain pretty much all cases to expedite the case load - courts are largely overwhelmed. I've seen guys in chains accused of multiple violent assault felonies (like assaulted multiple people in one go) plea bargain down to a fucking misdemeanor.

Again, go sit in criminal court for a day and you'll see what I mean - it's eye opening.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (9 children)

Cool so how are they supposed to ever get a job a home and live?

Should we just jail them for life to make it simple?

[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 hours ago

This is why the governor's policy will work well. It let's drivers stay on the road until they've been caught with many infractions. It's a very different story when you take someone's license away after a few speeding tickets versus taking their license away after a few speeding tickets, then several months of well-documented continued speeding incidents every time they drove. Losing your license has serious consequences in modern society, but my sympathy for dangerous drivers has a limit.

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[–] flandish@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

they’ll charge folks for the usage of this too. profit will be had.

also if the normal fine is affordable by rich folk, something like this is worthy of consideration except that rich folk typically have lawyers.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I would say that this directly targets the people that can already clearly afford the fines easily enough that they keep speeding enough to get caught. Someone that is severely hurt by the fines are already likely to be deterred from speeding by the fines. This addresses the people that eat the fines and keep speeding again and again.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 4 points 6 hours ago

BINGO

The fines aren't even the expensive part, it's the increase in insurance.

As a former... assertive driver as a young adult, my insurance increased to insane levels. That got me to re-think my driving and turned me into the person everyone cusses for driving like grandpa.

[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 hours ago

How about just installing speed limiter devices by default? Never having to worry about being caught accidentally speeding sounds like an absolute win for me.

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