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[–] SouthFresh@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

Remind me again about the time that adding any capacity to any road resolved traffic congestion.

[–] jcorvera@quokk.au 3 points 6 hours ago

How's the Vegas Loop handling traffic again?

Oh, right... it's a taxi service through a tube underground between the airport and the convention center... not very usable by all.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 17 points 11 hours ago

"Just one more lane, bro! We'll fix traffic! Just one more lane..."

Burying the lanes doesn't make them less subject to the geometry of cars.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 hours ago

Ontario's MAGA Premiere is spending millions in a feasibility study to build multi-lane tunnels under a highway 14 lanes wide at points.

He never graduate high school.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 5 hours ago

The “Music City Loop” will feature a fleet of chauffeured Teslas

Are you fucking kidding me? Aren't they building robotaxis now? Why wouldn't they use them?

[–] purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone 21 points 12 hours ago

Because it worked so well the first time around....

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 46 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (4 children)

I thought Las Vegas was only dumb enough to do this "Elon badly reinvents mass transit" thing, but this makes sense given my experience of Tennessee.

Tennessee is one of the dumbest places I have ever been. It isn't that the people are inherently stupid it is that the ideas people pass around, promote and believe are dumb as fuck there. It hurt my brain being in Tennessee and I hope to never go back.

[–] chellewalker@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'd point out that in the article, the city leadership hates the idea. It's going through anyway because the Governor and state leadership are overruling the mayor and city council.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 3 points 10 hours ago

This is why I don't have a problem when big cities tell the state (or feds) to fuck off.

[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

My family lives there, and I agree. Also, I've never experienced as blatant racism as in Tennessee.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Also, I've never experienced as blatant racism as in Tennessee.

Texan here: I've never seen or heard the kind of blatant racism that I found everywhere north and east of Tennessee's southwest corner.

I have a hypothesis on this, though. I think that the more pervasive that anti-racist beliefs are, that the more overt a racist needs to be so that they can make sure everyone knows they're a racist. Inversely, in a place like Texas where racism is more ingrained in society, you can be quieter and assume that you're talking to someone with racist beliefs. Then, a sort of perverse set of manners are formed where you don't blatantly say racist things—in fact, you gasp at bald-faced racism, clutch your pearls, and call that person uncouth.

But when you pass a series of miniature racist tests, or blow just the right dog-whistle, then you get the Southern racist's cry of approval: "this guy gets it!"

It's kinda like how moderately wealthy people like to flaunt their money, and make little comments around poor people to prove just how disconnected you are from reality. But then, when they're surrounded by other rich people, it's suddenly impolite to discuss wealth.

[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting. It was less what people said and more me realizing why we were sitting in Pizza Hutt for 1.5 hours (my wife was dark skinned). I only figured it out when 2 other groups had come and left, and we were still waiting for a pizza.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

For me, it was my neighbors when I lived in New Jersey openly saying the N-word and that "the only thing Mexicans are good for is dropping off a building."

[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Tennessee is a big place. It actually also has some strongly blue areas, believe it or not. As a state, it's not worse than Alabama or Mississippi.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

As a state, it's not worse than Alabama or Mississippi.

Isn't that about as bad as it can get?

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Tennessee is a big place. It actually also has some strongly blue areas, believe it or not. As a state, it's not worse than Alabama or Mississippi.

I believe it, Chattanooga from what I have heard is pretty cool.

Ooof if you have to compare to Alabama or Mississipi though...

Again, the humans in those places are physically the same as anywhere, it is the ideas these places celebrate that makes them such dumb places. I don't mean there aren't cool people, cool people are everywhere!

The problem with meeting cool people from these places though is most people have to pick their battles and when you live in an aggressively toxic society that means accepting and normalizing the toxic things that aren't primary to the struggle between your beliefs and the society you are trapped in.

Connecting with people from these places thus often feels like walking through a pleasant, beautiful minefield.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Chattanooga is definitely cool. And yeah, there's a reason I left the south. And I didn't "have to compare" TN to Alabama and Mississippi, those are just easy examples. There must be 10 states worse to live in, for the reasons you specify, than Tennessee.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

the ideas people pass around, promote and believe are dumb as fuck there.

I'm curious what you call this, if not inherently stupid?

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

The point is to emphasize a collective stupidity not jump on the bandwagon of caricaturizing individuals from certain places as dumb which unfortunately is something we are all wired to find satisfying and I despise this default capacity for individualized blame and cruelty that is within all of us.

As a result I try to annoyingly remind people in my writing that most evil is a product of architecture not individuals.

The difference between the north and south in the US is that in the south the working class don't even have the illusion of power, thus the social architecture of the south that I despise so much must be the target of my acidic criticism since blaming working class individuals just feeds into the problem and completely eliminates the possibility of solidarity.

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Let him build it.

Let the chauffered car thing fail.

Eminent domain the tunnel.

Stick a fucking train in it.

[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The boring company tunnels are a problem.

They don't have the boring normal stuff you need for an actual transit line, like service access or evacuation routes or proper ventilation. They're being disruptive by ignoring everything we've learned since the 1800s about tunnel building. It might be easier to retrofit than dig a fresh tunnel, but at that point you're limited to the route they dug, which probably isn't as useful for transporting people instead of cars.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 5 points 10 hours ago

Vegas still has a boring tunnel and it's going through a lot of lawsuits and 800 environmental violations.

They're not able to reuse it without investing a billion more to fix his fuck ups.

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 4 points 10 hours ago

I'm half with you; eminent domain it, but I wouldn't trust his tunnels with humans in them. Maybe it could be repurposed as a way to redirect flood waters or something. His tunneling ability is right up there with his morality acumen.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Is he really digging one, or did he pay someone else to?

Because I doubt he actually has done any physical labour in his life.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 4 points 12 hours ago

This also bothers me with all the stuff you read about Donald Trump. Trump tore down the white house, trump is planning to build... No he doesn't, he tells someone to do it.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Reinventing the underground, except shittier - again.

I’m no geologist but it seems like a (relatively) easy place to be drilling tunnels. Just looking for a quick headline. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville_Basin

[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

From the article,

terrain Boring will have to navigate: the tricky, sinkhole-prone limestone bedrock of middle Tennessee. The construction risks range from collapsing the ground beneath a heavily traveled state highway, to knocking out utility connections, to flooding the tunnel with groundwater.

The ability to cut the rock is not the only challenge in boring tunnels. Regardless of the type of rocks it runs through, making tunnels using a TBM is one of the slowest and most expensive ways of making a tunnel. Its best to use other techniques, unless a TBM is the only option, which it isn't for this project.

The proposed airport line runs directly beneath sr41, and the second line is under sr70s. Just like Vegas it goes directly under preexisting roads, so they don't have to deal with the administrative headache or costs of acquiring the rights to dig under private property. In cases like this it is far cheaper to use cut and cover.

In cut and cover, you build a shallow tunnel by digging a trench, putting the tunnel in the trench, then burying it. Its the most cost effective way to make urban metro tunnels in most cases. However those carbrained enough to think chauffeur driven cars are mass transit, will consider temporarily closing a few lanes on the surface during construction to be unacceptable.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 hours ago

Cut and Cover FTW. That's how many many cities got 10's of km of subways/metros in only a few years. They actually dug the roads up, did the work, and had it buried within 6 months or even less per km per construction front. It's way cheaper and faster than all of this deep tunnel work we keep seeing everything get all excited about these days.

Cut and Cover stations also have quick access to the streets. You don't need to spend 5 minutes riding the escalator up and down just to get to your train since it's basically 1.5 stories down the steps.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

What do you mean local officials are worried? Who approved this?

[–] chellewalker@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 hours ago

The Governor and state leadership. The mayor and city council are getting overruled.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

the bellevue and other west nash nimbys are not gonna like this. unless it goes from 840’s entry around dickson west through toward murph.

edit: oh read it more an this is so stupid. there is no parking there by the arena worth it. so it’ll just be tourists paying big to go from airport to downtown. then they can pedal bar woo girl to their hotels?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

pedal bar woo girl to their hotels?

Is this English?

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

nashville has these dumbass rolling bars where a driver and bartender cart folks around who pretend to be powering it by bicycle.

woo girls are just drunk chicks on a weekend before a wedding. screaming woo.

[–] Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 1 points 11 hours ago

Then there are also the poo girls (and boys).

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Of all the many many dumb things on this floating rock, this is maybe the dumbest

[–] BigTuffAl@lemmy.zip 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

TN is a right-wing staging ground these days. There and Georgia you're on 100% nazified territory.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Putting aside the "100%" remark, you're really giving Georgia as the other example? The place that swung blue as a backlash to this shit.