I'd still get a Fairphone, as they put a lot of effort into open source and being part of the community. They also seem to make slightly more robust devices.

No idea for how long Shift guarantee updates, but Fairphone guarantees updates for many years. Last I checked it was eight years.

BTW, I recently got myself a USB-C charger from Fairphone and the build quality is really good. No doubt it will still work in two years and longer. The price is also decent.

[–] pantherina@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fairphone absolutely is important and may have driven the long update span of phones. But note that because they were the first, they didnt use a secure smartphone SOC in their phone but an IOT one, lacking any secure element for example. Cracking that phone is not hard for people with the knowledge.

Also their firmware and software updates are often far behind upstream, which has obvious security implications.

[–] erebion@news.erebion.eu 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Citation needed.

[–] pantherina@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah haha I tried finding one but no success.

I know they delayed the Android 14 upgrade and skipped directly to 15, even "bricking" some devices. Probably nothing very bad (though as they allow bootloader locking even on custom Android builds... it could really mean brick).

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago

Of all of those, Punkt is the only one with a headphone jack.

[–] BurnedDonutHole@ani.social 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I get it it's hard to make a good product and sell it cheaply, but at these price points, with the hardware there are providing, installing a custom ROM is the cheapest and arguably the best way to de-google.

Some of these are selling you the 5 years old hardware with today's flagship killer phone prices. Unless there is a big change in the Android phone market, these prices for these devices will never be justified in my eyes. Not even for the native Linux experience.

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

We don't have to settle for just one option. There will always be status-people who buy a brand-new Tesla for 50.000€ because they can afford it. And there are the second hand EV-people, who pay like 10.000€ and still make a difference. Same with de-googled smartphone. Let them buy expensive if they can. I love my de-googled Pixel 4a I bought for like 75€ years ago. Both types are part of the solution.

[–] ChrisDoeser@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

To be fair buying a /e/OS fairphone also directly helps the development of these alternative systems. Therefore I think its justified to pay a bit more if you've got the money to spare.

[–] BurnedDonutHole@ani.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

I agree.～(つˆ0ˆ)つ｡☆

[–] ChrisDoeser@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In the case of Fairphone you support the further development of /e/OS also financially. Otherwise the alternative Operating Systems will never be able to fully mature.That alone can justify the purchase of a phone in my eyes (if you've got the money to spare).

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[–] H3ll1@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for this! I won't change my Phone (Samsung S21 FE) for as long as it's working but was looking at Fairphone and Volla/Jolla as Candidates. Good to have a comparsion.

[–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago

Canada! Canada! Canada! Canada!

We're waiting over here homies. Give us something. Give us anything.

[–] spipau@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I use /e/OS on my Fairphone 3+ since more than 3 years and can only recommend it!

[–] vega_r@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And no compatibility issues? I read that some banking apps don't work well (N26, for example). I'm thinking of buying a ShiftPhone with /e/OS but I'm not sure.

[–] spipau@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

N26 works in my siede and others as well. Always depends on the bank. You can find a curated list here: https://community.e.foundation/t/list-banking-apps-on-e-os/33091

[–] vega_r@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

Nice! Thanks for the link :)

[–] Konstant@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can you install apps from the Google store? Are there apps that refuse to work on it?

[–] spipau@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

You can install PlayStore apps from the App Lounge which connects anonymously. Most apps simply work, always depends on what you use. Apps such as Plexus or Sapio can be used to see if apps work

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

Why no mention of https://iode.tech/ ? They offer new and refurbished phones with deGoogled OS, including Fariphone and SHIFT. They have a very nice anti tracking software integrated into the OS that doesn't require VPN running which is a big plus. I've been using it for couple of years before I switched to Graphene OS and definitely will consider switching back when my phone dies. Regular updates, couple of nice feature Graphene OS doesn't have (pattern unlock, configurable shortcuts, system backups). I'm pretty much sticking with Graphene because when I got my phone iode wasn't supporting it yet and now I'm to lazy to switch back.

[–] dieTasse@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I used CalyxOS on Fairphone (still waiting for the new one) and that was a good experience. I had completely degoogled main profile and then work profile with microG for things that doesn't really work without google services or for apps that I simply needed but didn't want running all the time. And the work profile was off most of the time. It was a good balance for me. Now I am waiting and using LineageOS, but will jump on the CalyxOS bandwagon once they are back. Also prior to CalyxOS I waited for any ROM, I had just pure FairphoneOS (just an android) and honestly, Fairphone should do something about their software because there were a lots of bugs, some were not solved for a long time and when custom ROMs became available, they were better tuned than the FairphoneOS. I mean seriously, good hardware bad software...

[–] nshibj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

CalyxOS is great, I hope it comes back strong. If you want to try another degoogled OS based on Lineage with flexibility to install/uninstall any system app (like microG) and a built-in tracker and ad blocker I'd recommend IodéOS: https://iode.tech/

[–] dieTasse@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I was looking at iodé several times in the past and I don't know why but it doesn't click with me. Maybe I will check it out again, but I somehow don't trust it 😀 Maybe its the way they present themselves, if you look at the pages it looks like some company that is just trying to sell me stuff 😀 (well they actually do, one of the first things is "buy an iodé phone").

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[–] cauthon117@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Writing this on the Volla Quintus. It's a nice phone. Best features are the springboard and the boot manager.

[–] wdx@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

do you use any banking apps? if yes, are there any difficulties?

[–] cauthon117@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

I use two banking apps and an NFC payment app and all of them work without any problems. You just enable micro g and when you're done, you disable it again.

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[–] jdr8@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (29 children)

What about SailfishOS?

I use it and it’s really nice.

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[–] pferd@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

I wish one of them would be supported by grapheneos. Imo the best privacy os but only available on pixel devices

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Any idea how hood the cameras are on these? I specifically got myself a (used) xiaomi 13t for the Leica optics, and will probably not change before it dies (because of money) except if I can sell it and switch ofc.

[–] BenjiRenji@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fairphone camera is usually very good with enough light. Only issue is low light.

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[–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

You can throw Punkt out of a window.

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