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Not sure what to include or not, but I figure if you're not on twitter you might have missed it.

Lots of very disturbing new stories and details coming out. Basically the entire western elite is in on it. Details about using war-torn countries to traffic children too. They wrote guides about these countries, openly talked in emails about "bringing back some children" from their visits there.

More names, including of course a lot of Trump. Some perpetrators are still redacted but people are finding them out. Elon Musk, his brother Kimball, and Bill Gates are in it too.

Moot (of 4chan) had contact with Epstein and met him several times. Possibility that 4chan was created by "Israel" to stoke the modern far-right movement. Of course there's a lot of speculation and that's the problem with twitter, the cracked theories are lumped in with the actual facts and it gets hard to tell what's plausible or not. Lots of people want to get the views first so they find whatever they can and then form a theory even if they get facts wrong, just to be the first ones to get it.

An email from a redacted name saying they "are in China" dated last week of May 2009, and then "will be in the US for 2 weeks". People are trying to find who it could be, so far possibilities include Gates or Nethanyahu. They should cross-reference with the US mention though.

Oh yeah and that motherfucker Chomsky, pissed be his name, is also in the latest round.

You know who's not ANYWHERE in those files though? President of the goddamn People's Republic of China, Mr. Xi Jinping.

On the one hand it's nothing we didn't already imagined, but seeing it laid out like this from victim statements and emails is something else.

Are communist parties doing anything with this? They should.

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[–] Arachno_Stalinist@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 9 hours ago

Epstein seems to have been interested (involved, maybe?) in the overthrow of Gaddafi, particularly with Libya's frozen assets.

[–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 15 hours ago

On the Chomsky business: Here's two principled "libertarian socialists" having a discussion about how Venezuela isn't real socialism.

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Several years ago I said after listening to a Media Roots Radio episode (maybe this one) that I seriously suspect that child molestation is probably a common phenomenon among the upper classes, and somebody on Reddit chimed in by mentioning that a similar culture exists in Singapore and South Korea. I’d be unsurprised if Epstein and his friends have been there before.

G-d, it’s hard to believe that this problem is systematic among the rich. You would think that it would only exist among a handful of them, but from what I understand, it is a lot more widespread than that.

Anyway, I need to be honest and say that I don’t have the stomach to dwell on this topic and that I would rather focus my attention on something else. I’ll just conclude by saying that the upper classes deserve bullets to their foreheads.

[–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It was systemic among Russian aristocrats before the revolution. People rightly criticize Lenin and the Bolsheviks for their stance on homosexuality, but they forget what motivated it: the Bolsheviks were keen to stamp out elite pedophilia ("pederasty"), and they accepted the common medical opinion at the time that homosexuality and pedophilia were somehow linked. The most evident practitioners of non-traditional sex in pre-revolutionary Russia were not workers and peasants genuinely in love with each other, but Epstein-like aristocrats whom everybody knew were up to stuff behind closed doors.

Also, I never want to hear a liberal talk about Beria again.

[–] SNAFU@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Do you have any readings, sources, etc; about this? I cannot seem to find anything about this online, atleast not in English. Seems like something very important that would explain why there was such a conservative atitude on sexuality in the USSR.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 11 hours ago

It's not just the rich, unfortunately.

[–] Marat@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is my thing. Just how is it so common? Obviously they get legal and economic protection, but why child molestation specifically being so common and systemic?

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Often with stuff like this it is about the power dynamics in play and they are the biggest between child and adult. I guess being at the upper class in this system means that you are at least to some degree susceptible to being power hungry and sadly these type of things become like an ultimate fantasy sort of thing. And because the people involved are so high in the chain of command they can (mostly) get away with it too.

[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 2 days ago

We need to scrutinize Chomsky's work. Like comb through it and catalog his positions on various issues, and what courses of action he advocates and opposed. What popular ideas (that he'd obviously be exposed to) that he omits.

We know that the empire works to infiltrate and corrupt leftist, socialist and communist movements and we now know that Chomsky was one of the most successful examples of that in academia and theory. I have a feeling some dedicated scrutiny could bear a lot of fruit, but I have almost no free time before Chinese New Year hols.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

there are some real gems in this release, for example

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Should be on .ml world and USA

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm banned on world at this point, but feel free to post :)

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

~~Works~~ world news here, lol. Sorry. I'm having cold symptoms, and was asleep before dark. About to go back to sleep.

[–] Богданова@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 days ago

I'm glad this is finally being taken somewhat seriously. I've had to witness human traffickers get off the hook so easily, in my personal life, with no punishment. And of course the guy was also a neo-nazi.

Although I wouldn't count on this doing anything than opening the doors to conversation, in my experience people get over caring real fast.

[–] big_spoon@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 2 days ago

moot was in the files

the creator of the birthplace of pedobear and the usual pedo memes

this is not precisely a surprise

[–] Riffraffintheroom@hexbear.net 45 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It’s beginning to sound like everything bad in the world is actually connected to a cabal of shadowy elites, like Q Anon but somehow dumber? Are medbeds real?

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 day ago

At this level they are not competitors anymore, they are good friends with each other - including in politics. It's how capitalism progresses as it asserts itself as the hegemonic mode of production. All the talks of "if this law gets passed it'll be bad for business and I might just move my company" is exactly just talk; by the time the law is even publicized to the public these guys have already been told all about it and ran the numbers and simulations and know exactly how they're coming out of it. Shadowy elites, though, that depends. I mean, they're pretty blatant about it. We know who they are -- Bill Gates Elon Musk etc. The shadowy part might be that they keep up the appearances in front of the cameras (so to speak) but behind it they all know each other intimately.

There's an old joke that after convicting the accused, the judge, the prosecutor and the attorney all go grab drinks together.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 2 days ago

I would say it's less shadowy cabal and more of a hiding in plain sight gangster empire thing because there's nothing in place to hold them accountable and won't be in many parts of the world so long as empire is in charge, and to a lesser degree, so long as capitalism is in charge. For contrast, consider the kind of headline that comes out of China along the lines of "person in government position greatly abused it to enrich themself and gets life sentence, or death penalty if they re-offend within X amount of time." That kind of thing simply doesn't happen with major financial crimes in capitalist states. The most that ever happens is a rogue person who breaks financial laws might get held accountable with a prison sentence once in a blue moon.

If we extend that to other types of crimes, it's no wonder this kind of thing goes largely undetected by the general public for so long. With the type of financial abuse that capitalist empire is known for, people are at least more likely to be aware because it tends to have a more visible and broad impact. But for many others kinds of crimes, with the sheer logistical power that capitalists have on hand, who is going to spot what they're doing and stop them? The CIA and other western imperial "intel" orgs who are busy organizing mass murder operations? The FBI who is busy going after racial minorities? The cops who behave like gangs themselves? The individualist liberals who are trimming their suburban garden hedges behind their white picket fences?

Until the working class, the imperialized, the colonized take back power, these lifelong terrorists who frame themselves as visionaries will keep abusing.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 days ago

The bourgeoisie have class solidarity and are fighting a class war, so conspiracy is just a natural progression.

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 60 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I saw it explode in the Iranian and Cuban telegrams but, beside my comment in the General Thread, I decided not to make a post about it in Lemmygrad due to the sheer horror of the content.

All I can say is that the imperialists spent billions fabricating horror stories about Xi, Putin, Díaz-Canel, Kim Jong Un, Maduro, the Palestinians. Yet all of them, combined, can't even come close to what's in the Epstein files.

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 28 points 2 days ago

It's exploding all over LatAm left and liberal social media tbh, lots of people linked with Epstein specially far-right people.

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[–] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 2 days ago

A communist association where I am, has been pushing with this. it also helps that its a really good way to start a conversation with a "progressive liberal"

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Seeing wider internet groups implode over the revelation the internet has had massive perverse pedophilic influence since the earliest days of their favourite internet forums (basically 4chan.)

Essessentially, mad that the Marxists were right again.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 day ago

It's not just the internet. It was printing press, quill and inkpot, stylus and tablet, ochre on cave walls...

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[–] krostalin@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom by Pier Paolo Pasolini is surprisingly relevant today.

The content of the files can be described as "That political horror movie from the '70s, written by Italian marxist-leninists, was actually a documentary about fascism".

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 22 hours ago

The 70s were wild. They seem so distant (half a century wtf) but the more they surge back, the more I see similarities to today's climate. The first airplane hijackings, a burgeoning indie scene in the arts, a very "i don't even care about this shit anymore" attitude, the black panthers, invention of Gonzo journalism, the legacy of the many liberation movements and struggles of the 1960s, the oil crisis, and now even the kitsch is coming back in style!

Is Salo as shocking as people say or is it one of those things where its reputation makes it look bigger than it is? You got me intrigued when you said it was written by MLs lol.

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[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Moot and Epstein being in cahootz is definitely the most shocking thing to come out of this.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

q anon invented by epstein confirmed?

[–] graymess@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I've seen it suggested before, but is the running theory that 4chan wasn't a "naturally occurring" Internet cesspool, but a consciously directed operation from Epstein and his evil billionaire friends to funnel terminally online edgelords into right-wing ideology? I'll be honest, I don't know if I can get behind that one. People on the mid-2000s Internet could be fucking horrible without any help.

[–] krostalin@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 day ago

It could easily be a "naturally occurring" internet cesspool that was quickly co-opted as soon as it became large enough.

[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It explains why nobody with any clout ever did anything about it, when everyone could see that it stood to do a lot of harm to a vulnerable demographic. And the idea that it could be weaponized into a hate group and directed at things isn't absurd when we know that that's been done with extremist religious groups.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not even kidding when I more and more suspect.world, and .works as CIA ops, and certain users as agents.

[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Put yourself in the CIA's position and consider the value prospect of setting up instances:

  • Lemmy is open source.
  • Anyone can federate.
  • The original Lemmy has no privilege or primacy over any other instance apart from being established first.
  • You have entire nations full of people (who have been so pre-conditioned by red scare that many of them are 3rd-generation brainwashed) who will eagerly amplify your voice, and having the loudest voice is the biggest factor in this kind of framework.
  • Lemmy is designed to protect your anonymity, so the танкиs will likely never be able to prove you're behind it.

The cost-to-benefit ratio is so good that you'd be mad not to.

[–] ahriboy@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lemmy is open source.

As with any fedi software should. If tf.s gets down, I can seek refuge here, or on hexbear.net.

[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 day ago

yeah it's a double edged sword

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