every week more or less, it's basically just as often as I remember. oh and whenever I have to update a program for security reasons, like a system wide patch or a new browser release, that sorta thing. using opensuse tumbleweed btw
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as someone who is a dev by trade I update/backup on fridays because I think it's funny.
It's always funny, until that one day where it isn't
PC-LOAD-LETTER, wtf does that mean?!
Just a few weeks (months?) ago:
Replace package nvidia with nvidia-open? [y/n] Y
Queue having to redo all my previous work to get the integrated graphics card and the dedicated graphics card playing well with each other
For those that don't know:
PC = Printer Cartridge (the place where you put ink or paper for it to use)
Letter = 8 1/2 x 11 inch letter sized paper, which is similar to A4
So the message means to load letter sized paper in the printer cartridge, because the sensor says it is empty.
PC in this context stands for Paper Cassette, an old HP term for the paper tray.
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And then, inevitably:
but "yay" already does that
Yay ; flatpak update
Yeah I just have an alias called update that runs all of the update commands, as well as a few other things
topgrade
*paru
whenever something is broken
You update your broken system to fix it.
I update my working system to brake it.
we are not the same
We might be the same
Update my mesa drivers mid-game? Yea fuck it why not
I have a script I run daily (named daily) that makes a timeshift backup, checks for updates from pacman, then checks for updates from the AUR. I'm very fond of it :]
Does paru -Syu not also include pacman, or do you just prefer to do pacman first?
I have never heard of paru until this very moment. I will look into it, thanks!
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Iβve been using yay for years, and it is sufficient. First time Iβve heard of paru.
Other than being written in rust, how does paru improve the experience of AUR wrapping?
Googling it, it just seems like yay but in rust and it shows PKGBUILD by default. Still cool to find alternative tools though
To be honest, it's just what I've been using since I switched to Cachy half a year ago. There was no conscious decision made between yay or paru.
I think Go and Rust are both great languages, but there are apparently some speed benefits from using rust/paru. That's not anything I can factually confirm, just what I've heard.
I doubt that speed in a package manager would depend greatly on programming language choice. A package manager downloads the repository index, evaluates your current environment, decides what packages you need and then downloads them. You may get minor speed improvements due to a more performing programming language, but we're talking about milliseconds differences in a process that likely takes several minutes. I wouldn't take that into account when choosing across options. Indeed speed can greatly vary across package managers, but that mainly depends on implementation; as such you may have a package manager implemented in a slower language that is faster than one implemented in a faster language.
If I have to choose a package manager, I wouldn't even consider speed and rather evaluate functionality. I don't know paru, I imagine it allows doing what yay allows doing and as such I'd be satisfied with either of them.
When someone reminds me so thanks
Sometimes I let a Gentoo lapse on upgrades, just for the extra fun.
At most once per day. Sometimes I can go three weeks without remembering to upgrade
I do sudo pacman -Syu as a ritual each time when I start my computer or laptop. Like, the very first thing after the system is booted. So far so good, been doing that for 7 years.
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When I am bored. A few times per month in winter. Once or twice per summer.
Every 1-2 weeks, depends on how often I remember
Once a day
For me, it's about reducing the amount of time the "update available" icon shows up in the system tray, because its very presence bothers me. Maybe there's something cool and new. Maybe it fixes a severe security problem. If it's for programs I'm not using right now, then the update can be applied right now. Otherwise it's going to have to wait until I'm done. And bother me.
Yes, I could turn updates off and never see it, but that seems like a bad plan in the long run.
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My home PC, about once a week, or whenever I have to install new software. My work PC, about once a month because the nvidia driver takes fucking ages to update because of DKMS.
As for the servers under my professional care... it depends. Most servers run Debian that I update three times a year whenever the downtime is acceptable for the university (spring break, late summer, early december) or if a CVE needs fixing (e.g. xz-utils). One internet-facing server still runs Ubuntu 16.04 because some teachers can't possibly live without some legacy software and will throw a tantrum if upgrading is even mentioned -- that one gets zero updates, and I got the dean's promise in writing that I wouldn't be held responsible for it.
The big virtualization server still runs ESXi 6 because the university didn't want to pay for a lifetime license when it was available, doesn't want to pay for a subscription now, and doesn't want the downtime required to fully migrate to Proxmox VE. So it gets no updates.
It's fucking rough out here.
I inherited a lot of Ubuntu servers at the university, too. But I am not directly responsible which makes life easier; I am just managing it.
Interestingly, they agreed to monthly updates with possible restarts and they are fine with it, because I keep the servers healthy. And: We even plan to move from VMWare hypervisor to Proxmox VE as well, but we can do it in stages without big downtimes.
There is one CentOS server carefully isolated which cannot be updated anymore. Moving it to Rocky would introduce a big downtime and redoing a lot of custom config. Luckily the user-facing server of that cluster is running a current Rocky Linux.
The things, I established so far, are running stable Debian. Nice to see Proxmox VE being based on Debian. (:
It is interesting that you are in a similar boat, but with a different outcome. I hope that your colleguas will reconsider some day.
My Debian trixie desktop system rotates /var/log/apt/history once a month. So over the past year:
$ zgrep upgrade /var/log/apt/history.log*gz|wc -l
25
$ ls /var/log/apt/history.log*gz|wc -l
12
$
25 upgrades in 12 months. So about twice a month on average on that one.
maybe once every three or more months
I've set up unattended upgrades and forgot about updates, until I get a mail saying they happened.
Note that at least on Debian, the unattended-upgrades package only, by default, does security updates. While those are the most important ones, if you want various bugfixes and such, you probably do want to at least occasionally do an update yourself.
On my laptop with LMDE, which is basically Debian, I've configured it to update everything. The only thing left out are flatpaks which I update when I remember.
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