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[–] Staden_@pawb.social 130 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think this is only bad if they don't recognize their mistakes and just discourage you from even trying to achieve something.

Learning from other people's mistakes is a useful skill.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So is people learning from their own mistakes, and many people never do. These skills come as a pair. The mistakes don't have to be yours to learn, but it helps make the lesson far more impactful.

[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

If a man didn't make mistakes he'd own the world in a month.But if he didn't profit by his mistakes he wouldn't own a blessed thing.

-Jesse Livermore

[–] Billy_fuccboi@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Learning from experience

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 51 points 3 months ago (2 children)

People learn from mistakes, not success.

[–] blipcast@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Agreed. The OP makes it sound like you should only take advice from successful people, but successful people might just be lucky. We should also be careful to not take investment advice from lottery winners.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I understood it as to recognise when their words are only packaged as "advice" from their bad experience (eg something general, vague, without specific useful logic you can take & apply to other situations, like "never get married", "never invest", "never build your own house", etc).

That is not the same as a fully argumented logic (which the person might indeed have learned from their own mistake), like "if your partner explicitly promised that in the first week of marriage they will steal you money, murder your neighbors & pin it on you, and you would not want that, don't marry them".

Basically if someone opens a muffin shop & it goes out of business, and you are thinking of opening a muffin shop ("Muffin tops for muffin bottoms"), you are gonna need to know/understand why & how exactly it went out of business, not just that it went out of business, it's a huge difference.
(It was in a neighborhood filled with lean muffintopless tops. So tweaking the business model only a little meant huge success.)

I disagree with OP in that it has to be trauma tho.
You can get stupid pushy advice what to do just bcs it worked by chance for someone (in a million) decades ago.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Just watch out for people projecting their specific problems onto your situation when you don't have those problems. Mostly a problem with unsolicited "advice"

[–] starchylemming@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

listen to people who warn you about something that fucked them up.

don't touch the fire - person with burned hands

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 46 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A professor once gave me similar advice when I was trying to get into grad school. I repeated a bunch of advice I had heard from other students who were struggling with the same thing, and he said "Why are you listening to them? Go ask the grad students here who have already gotten into grad school."

It was such obvious advice in retrospect, but it was eye-opening for me at the time, and I've applied it to many other parts of life.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There is a difference between “advice” on how to do something vs. “advice” on what to avoid or how not to do it.

I would gladly take advice on how to do something from someone who succeeded, and I’d equally gladly take advice on what not to do from someone who failed.

They are both invaluable.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Rich person's guide to getting rich: "It's fairly simple. All it takes is a little bit of hard work, dedication, and an initial investment of five million dollars. I did it, my father did it, and his father and grandfathers did it before him. I come from a long line of self-made millionaires. It must be in our genes."

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 41 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Rereading the post, it isn't that you should ignore the advice of people who failed, but you need to recognize what kind of "advice" you're getting.

Someone can fail and give you good advice, but the advice described isn't that.

[–] treesapx@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

The way I heard it, and it changed my life, was "All advice is autobiographical." You have to filter it through your opinion of the person, how self aware they are, and how much you think they're sincerely trying to think of you when giving advice.

Edit: And, yes, every time I see this discussed there are droves of snarky people thinking they're being so clever by pointing out the "irony" which I think is really just reflecting their cynicism. Social skills require nuance and understanding that no rule can be applied 100%.

[–] pinesolcario@lemy.lol 8 points 3 months ago

This is the correct interpretation. The post is wrong in how you should view that information. The post is actually a tad cynical and arrogant.

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[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

So many of the other heavily upvoted comments are taking the absolutely least charitable interpretation of the comment.

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[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

People can give solid advice even when they are struggling or even when they failed in the same area. A smoker can tell you smoking is bad. Someone whose marriage ended can still recognize unhealthy patterns. Someone who made financial mistakes can warn you about the traps they fell into. Two things can be true at the same time.

A useful skill is learning to tell when advice is grounded in reflection versus when it is shaped by unprocessed regret. People often speak from a mix of past experience and current emotion. Some insights are helpful, some are fear driven, and it takes a little judgment to sort out which is which.

So instead of accepting or rejecting advice automatically, it helps to look at where it is coming from. Are they sharing something they have actually thought through, or are they reacting to their own past? The value of the advice depends less on whether their life went well and more on how honestly they have understood it.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Those are all experiences they had. Where the fuck else is advice gonna come from? At least someone who had a divorce knows more about marriage than someone who jas never even gone on a date.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

While true, it's worth keeping the context in mind. At a work event I got seated with three divorced dudes who had like 6 wives between them. It was insufferable how much "advice" they offered and based on never having even met me before and the fact I was married kept insisting I would figure out my wife was cruel, vindicative, had no respect for me. and was cheating on me. Women were all terrible and a man could only live his best life without women. They were also grateful that when didn't sit then with any of those "useless women". I got told repeatedly how I should divorce and never date again.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

See, that's not advice on marriage, tho. I also have been divorced, and she literally was all those things. But I won't say not to get married. Just don't get married to my ex; she'll fuck you up.

If anything, it's advice on how to be a misersble, lonely bastard.

[–] Angelevo@feddit.nl 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That is just shitty culture. Unlikely where I am from. Perhaps there is a jaded dude here or there, sure. Ganging up on someone telling them they should divorce? Sounds crazy.

Feel free to tell those people to just shut the hecc up.

[–] baines@piefed.social 20 points 3 months ago (3 children)

survivorship bias speed run incoming

stop worrying about where advice comes from and just actually think about shit

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[–] Klear@quokk.au 17 points 3 months ago

Sounds like this guy keeps getting shitty advice from everyone. I'm not going to listen to someone like that.

[–] jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 3 months ago

"I did this and it was a mistake" is definitely useful advice. It might not necessarily be completely applicable to your situation, but learning from other people's failures can be as useful as learning from other people's success.

Especially when the most important elements of some people's success is things like "Have rich parents"

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 months ago

Sounds more like linkedinlunatics than genuine advice.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 10 points 3 months ago

What? The best thing you can do is to learn from other's mistakes.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Listening to the regrets of others in the context of their lives is how you get wisdom, at least without first hand experience from making the same mistakes.

I love that I had the same idea as most people in here. You level headed assholes are the best.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 3 months ago

Yes it's much better to get advice from people who don't know what they're talking about. Because why would you listen to someone who's divorced about marriage it's not like they've been married, oh wait.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Personally I believe that's this is the best people really can do. Wisdom is learning from ones mistakes. Domino this is sharing their wisdom

It's is up to you to do whatever you feel is best with it.

My divorced friend can tell me that their marriage went terribly wrong. It doesn't mean that I should not marry either. Ask why, ask what went wrong and take that into consideration.

I'd rather have advice and feedback from personal experience than theoretical advice from someone who has not tried (and failed) at the subject

[–] confusedpuppy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I used to work in the trades and the worst advice I ever got was from older men who forced their advice on me. I never asked for their advice. They just felt the need to trauma dump on me for all their regrets by giving me "advice" that was always meant for their younger selves.

If I had ever taken any of their unasked and unwanted advice, I would have ended up as miserable as they were and feeling like I lived a life of regret.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The best advice I got from an old guy at work when I was young was "start putting 100 dollars extra into your super every pay" (old man wished he'd looked into saving for retirement a lot sooner), the worst was "save yourself some trouble and go find a woman you hate and buy her a house" (old man whose marriage was based on him not being there and which immediately broke down when he stopped working away and wished he'd never bothered with it).

[–] confusedpuppy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have nothing wrong with people sharing life experiences. I can learn from that.

I do have an issue with people forcing unasked advice on other people. That comes with judgement from a narrow perspective. That unwanted advice does not take my experiences, perspectives or my own future plans into consideration.

Someone elses lived experiences should not be forced on others. Someone else's lived experiences can be shared in a way where it can create conversation or give others something to think about at a later time.

To me there is a difference.

In fairness, there may be times where unasked advice may be useful. For example someone's immediate safety. However, in most other situation's it's not appropriate and often perceived as rude by the person receiving the unasked advice.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah that's fair, in my examples the first was offered through conversation, the second was offered whenever the guy wanted to complain. Two different old dudes.

[–] lath@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Elon Musk successfully did the thing. Donald Trump also successfully did the thing. And several others like them successfully did the thing.

Does being successful at a thing make you a role model? ... Not really.

Success or failure matter less than what you learn from it. And I think most of us would agree that the above examples learned the wrong fucking things.

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

It's possible to be successful at something and provide the correct advice to not do that thing...

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago

I have successfully done bad decisions.

[–] daddycool@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I love when fat people tell me to eat 6 times a day, avoid fat and sugar, avoid white bread and pasta, drink and eat light products, yet sneak in a snack now and again to keep up my energy level, and to remember that breakfast is the most important meal of the day.

I have to bite my lip to not blurt out: Yeah, so how's that working for ya'?

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When I give advice, I usually do my best to tell people about the things that worked for me and what lessons I learned while having them work for me.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 2 points 3 months ago

This is the way. People respond better to non-directive information like this anyway.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Addendum to this is also to recognise value/arguments/data regardless of "if that person went through that or not".

Don't disregard a valid point just bcs that person doesn't have unique personal experience on the subject (which is always subjective, not average, and mostly an experience of the past, so not necessarily the current or future conditions).

[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

It is direction if you take it to mean “this is something you should not do.”

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Another potential take is someone telling you not to aspire to one of your own goals because they never reached it themselves.

“Don’t bother with trying to be an astronaut. You’ll never make it. Go for something more practical,” for instance. They’re only guaranteed to prevent the chance of ever becoming an astronaut. If everyone thought this way, no one would ever make it to their dream job.

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