I have a lot of hate for nz farmers but I'm gonna defend them here because i think they are on the right side of the issue. What I assume you're referencing was the biomethane reduction targets. Those were stupid and should be opposed, nz is well within its means when it comes to emissions and biomethane is very short lived compared to co2. Asking farmers to reduce their output by 10-25% is insane because we know it would require reducing production. We can't have a purist environmental target while trading with china otherwise we are just cucks destroying our own economy in favour of buying it from someone who does the most environmental damage.

Government should repair the roads, its what they are there to do.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 2 points 3 weeks ago

It's also just how the world works. Governments collect revenue in various forms, and provide services to us. The farmers pay plenty of tax in various forms, and they rightly expect both local and national government to hold up their end of the bargain.

[–] dfi@lemmy.nz 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Not throwing shade here, but i don't know a single person (farmer or not) in a disaster situation that would not want the government to fix the roads, maybe a road is not fixable... but if i had a apartment, house, cottage, batch, farm at the end of a road i would like the council/government to fix the road to my place, if they couldn't that would be a big deal and i would be unhappy. The individuals affected by this may have supported or opposed climate action, it doesn't change their current situation that they are still in.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 2 points 3 weeks ago

My understanding is the government needs to pay some pretty serious compensation if they permanently abandon a road, it was part of the reason the road to Otaki forks got repaired. They would have had to buy all the properties the road previously serviced.

[–] rimu@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There are many thousands of people affected by the damage to that road and I'd rather hear from any of them before hearing from the group that contributed to causing that damage.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Their business model relies on being able to have bulk amounts of product taken from their property to their customers, of course they're going to have something to say.

I'm genuinely baffled as to how you think the world works.

[–] rimu@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Their business model relies on dumping pollution into the atmosphere, lol

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Cool. What will you be having for dinner?

[–] rimu@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

I only eat tofu and quinoa

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The article mentions nothing about climate change

[–] rimu@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah you're going to have to take a look at the world around you for that bit of context.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

... Who the fuck else would be fixing the roads?

[–] rimu@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Make the Federated Farmers pay for it?

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They already have. Has anyone explained rates and taxes to you?

[–] rimu@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

Rather than making Federated Farmers pay for road repairs for this climate disaster and all future climate disasters I am prepared to accept a fine equal to their yearly revenue, this year and every year in perpetuity.

See, I'm a reasonable man, I can compromise.