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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 59 points 3 days ago (2 children)

High time we stop buying weapons from the US. The only reason paying the wildly overpriced gear is to have them provide military support when needed. If that's not happening.. then it makes no sense spending that money. Build it locally or buy it from the cheapest supplier.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That has already happened, looking at the orders placed and what it means for the US military industrial companies, they are about to lose hundreds of man years when looking at the loss of new orders and service contracts.

This channel has done several break downs of the Trump regime's politics with regards to weapon system orders:

https://youtu.be/m1387Gm9KiE

[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

Military industrial will just do what they've done in the past: invest heavily in some European-accepted non-US arms company, shift the board and funding over, and allow it to absorb the US-side of the business. This playbook happened in WWI and WWII. Check out who is investing in Ukraine to become the new center of drone manufacturing, which is the newest big tech.

[–] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 10 points 3 days ago

Everyone else is making deals to partner with Ukraine, Co produce weapons in Ukraine and learn everything they can from the only modern battlefield there is.

Drumpf is cutting them loose and leaving the US in the last century

[–] muzzle@lemmy.zip 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The enshittification on NATO: why not switch to our premium ally tier?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

NATO Gold membership, as in give Trump gold snd he might not invade?

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 9 points 3 days ago

"Nice, eh, country you'se gots there. Shame if someone invaded it."

[–] Foni@piefed.zip 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's incomprehensible that NATO allows the USA to make arms sales in enormous quantities, access military bases all over the world, and have subservient intelligence services in major countries only in exchange for the promise of perhaps protecting them in the event of an attack, something they haven't done even once in almost 80 years, now they're giving that up and the American people are applauding... well, I have no idea why, because having a black president was too much for some, I suppose.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What allies? The US have none left... Well except for Russia and Hungary

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Don't forget Israel!

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 14 points 3 days ago (4 children)

LOL. The thing everyone but Trump understands is that the US hasn't been "helping" its allies out of altruism. Its money. Everyone wants money. Allies want money, the US wants money. Everyone can make more money if there's a US military base just over the horizon because everyone can just be cool.

Trump has always been transactional. He doesn't understand equity, or good will, or anything that doesn't product an immediate tangible benefit. Why invest in a partnership if that partner isn't enriching him personally.

He was playing fart of the deal with Australia a few months back. Wanted our military budget to be 3% of GDP (its about half that). In the end he gave us a pass because he was scared we would do rare earth deals with China.

Yes hes doing incalculable damage to relationships while hes around, but these alliances have been built over decades, even millennia. They will outlast the Trump era, which only has months left to run id say.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 days ago

He has no concept of soft power

It's not only money, it's global influence and ability to project power. The USA wouldn't be able to do that without countries all over the world tolerating US bases on their soil. That's likely going to change. The US will degrade itself from a global to a regional power due to giving some rich idiot with the mind of a toddler virtually unlimited powers.

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm not gonna be happy if Albo makes us join the 'Board of Peace'. But I honestly wonder if he has the ticker to turn Trump down. I've typically been a Labor voter, but Albanses's been a thundering disappointment.

If he does, though, it'd be the perfect opportunity to start moving our trade away from the US. There's always the Pine Gap carrot to dangle in front of the orange moron, too. Doesn't wanna treat us with respect? No more 5 Eyes for Donny.

Let's face it: There hasn't been a war or 'peacekeeping' action we haven't been dragged into by the US since we stopped getting dragged into them by England. With the exception of Bougainville, I suppose. China's not interested in starting a war with a country that is happy to have trade with them. It'd ultimately be in our favour to distance ourselves from Trump.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I somewhat disagree.

I despise Trump, and whole our relationship with the US could be reconfigured, and id like a stronger relationship with EU, our alliance with the US will outlive Trump.

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But even when decent government returns, can we ever truly trust the US again, when they're four years away from potentially electing another Trump (or someone even worse?)

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 2 points 3 days ago

Is Trump an aberration or a new trajectory? We will find out I guess. My point is, this new strategy in isolation is not very meaningful.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

NATO standardization of things like ammunition has enabled a lot of ability to specialize and achieve economies of scale. The USA is fucking that up, too. :(

[–] iceonfire1@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

The Pentagon is doing less so that means we can reduce its funding, right?

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 8 points 3 days ago

I always thought the global order would collapse because of some competing entities gaining superior strategic leverage, not because the biggest one just started dismantling itself from within...

Divide et impera. Well played, Putin, can't argue with results.

[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 5 points 3 days ago

In a significant shift to its security priorities, the US Department of Defense now considers security of the US homeland and Western Hemisphere - not China - as its primary concern

Does this mean the "Pacific Pivot" cope will finally stop and yanks will admit that Trump just wants to burn down all their alliances?

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well yeah. Nobody is counting on you for shit anymore, because of the orange man toddler. We are rearming Europe as fast as is sensible. We still have that detaching from Russian energy thing going no.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago

We also have a massive surge of far right extremists weasling their way into governments all across Europe, and they keep in touch, it's like they are gunning for taking over the EU, honestly. They need to be... You know. Taken care of permanently, I feel like, or they are gonna start building camps again.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

No shit sherlock.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

Pentagon says they are out of NATO. NATO says "we know."

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What chance is there that this means the US defense budget can be cut?

[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 6 points 3 days ago

If by "cut" you mean increased by 50%, sure.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 2 points 3 days ago
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

It will give more support to Israel? Does it need support? I'm confused

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io -5 points 3 days ago

Relevant.

You can guess how much love I have for US allies.