Doesn't allow third party email clients.
I can recommend Posteo.
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Doesn't allow third party email clients.
I can recommend Posteo.
I've been on Posteo for years now, they've been rock solid. As for Tuta.io, the issue specifically is no IMAP support, which is what third party email clients need to function.
I thought I'd also mention Protonmail, which might look good, but is in a similar boat. They technically do provide IMAP support, but not in a way that matters. If you wanted to connect Protonmail to Thunderbird or, if you're an insane person, Microsoft Outlook, you'd need another app running on your PC along with your email app called Proton Bridge, which just sounds like a hassle. No mobile version either.
I'd say stick with Posteo. Alternatively, if you want to use your own domain name, I've heard good things about mailbox.org.
Just to clarify - Protonmail does have a mobile app (works great by the way, especially on Graphene)
My bad, I wasn't clear enough. I actually meant Proton Bridge has no mobile version, meaning you can only use the official app you mentioned, but not any third party apps like K-9 Mail/Thunderbird or FairEmail.
Aw yeah that makes sense actually on rereading it. I think i was going to try the Proton Bridge at first on moving to Linux but then saw it was only available via their paid version.
That put me off lol, so I'm just sticking to using it via browser and their own mobile app for now.
I deleted my Protonmail after learning about their metadata filtering practices. The more you learn about Proton the sketchier they seem.
Source, pretty please? I’d like to read up.
Their privacy policy expressly states they have access to metadata and they have a non-public blacklist which filters "undesirable" domains. Try creating an account on zlibrary using your Protonmail.
Also worthy of notice, they are legally forced to hand over shitloads of user data as seen in their transparency report.
Not to be a tinfoil hat guy, there's good reason for this and there's no free email service that is much better privacy-wise. The actual content of your mails are probably safe with Proton.
Their privacy policy states the obvious, and repeats what’s in the SMTP RFC (821). I can only guess this is because of transparency. All email providers have access to that information. I would actually argue for them that they are better at letting people know which kind of data they do and don’t have access to.
Every (email) service is bound to the law of the country they reside or operate in. Proton has part of its offerings in Switzerland, part in EU (Germany if I recall well). Swiss FADP is very close to GDPR. Also when it comes to privacy protection. Every company bound to GDPR (or FADP) has to abide to the law, and when law enforcement has a good reason to check out user data, and the judge agrees, any company has to provide evidence. Even non-EU based companies offering services in EU. With their transparency report they are providing a tool to their users to know and understand what happens to their data in a lawful manner. And I see that as a win for transparency.
But this is just my opinion, and it is ok to not agree with how I see the world.
AFAIK 3rd party clients not supported cause of lack e2e encryption support
I still think it would be better to give the user freedom, and just give a warning that there are privacy risks.
There is a small important distinction.
It is because there is no proprietary e2e encryption by default exclusively while communicating with others on tuta.
E2e encryption for 99.99999% of emails is via passworded pgp that everyone else has and uses or not encrypted at all. I have tuta for years and have yet to send or recieve a single encrypted mail that is the reason that they can't have a 3rd party app outside of tuta's own advertisements I get served.
It is vendor lock in. Pure, plain, and simple.
Wouldn't be as much of a problem if their client wasn't so bad. No auto moving messages as far as I can tell, absolutely horrid search functionality where I can type the sender email word for word and it will find 0 results, and just having almost no productivity or inbox managing features in general
I just migrated away from Tuta after trying the service for a year. I like it well enough, but it presented too many frustrations to be a service to pay for.
After searching around and checking purelymail, infomaniak, mailbox.org, mxroute, migadu, zoho, etc. I landed on fastmail (with my own domain) predominantly because of their implementation of labels (super slick). Their mobile app and desktop applications are also very slick. Contacts/calendar sync in to the Android System is done through DavX, but I also have it syncing to my Nextcloud instance. It's a more expensive solution than the others, but labels (tags/categories) are such an important part of my workflow that there aren't a lot of options unless I wanted to go back to M365/Google Workspace.
If I was to give up labels, I'd probably go with infomaniak or mailbox.org. Both of their offerings were slick and the price was right.
Thanks for your comment. I've had Infomaniak for the past year but find the UI/UX annoying. Same with Mailbox which I used for a few months before that. I've just tried Fastmail and love it already. Does everything I wanted Infomaniak to do. Davx with auto configure, Google calendar sync. And like you say, the apps are slick.
Killed my account bc they didn't feel I used it enough. F'em..
Probably because its free account
Do they really do that? I also use my account very little, should I be worried? It's 5-6 months old
Same
I just swapped from proton to mailbox.org and I considered tuta heavily.
I chose mailbox over tuta because:
I think I would still recommend tuta to like my mother or something because it's very clean and easy to set up and good enough. I'd recommend mailbox.org as a slightly harder alternative if you care about your calendar being encrypted.
My opinion on tuta: Can I use thunderbird? No? Goodbye.
There are many alternatives, but given that I haven't switched from a trash free one as I don't want to spend money for just having a mail server, it would be hypocritical to recommend any.
They have a reputation for deleting free accounts. If you plan to use Tuta for more than a few months be sure to use their paid plans, not free.
I have used it a couple years now and I don’t have anything to complain. It has worked perfectly fine all the time.
It's great. It stores and sends email. What could be better?
An email provider who doesn't lock you into their ecosystem and doesn't collaborate with law enforcement without putting up a fight.
Do you have an example of a better service? If not Tuta, then who?
Posteo
Can't bring your own domains with Posteo.
Does Tuta do that? I've missed that discussion in that case, I've been using them myself and if I can expect to be locked if I want to try another provider I'd rather switch now than when it becomes an even larger hassle
Perhaps they've changed, but last I checked they didn't allow IMAP/POP3 due to "security concerns".
From their howto site:
Can I use a third-party email app like Thunderbird? No, this is not possible for security reasons. Tuta does not support the use of third-party email clients or the protocols IMAP/POP3/SMTP as we cannot guarantee end-to-end encryption of your data. Instead, Tuta offers email desktop clients for Linux, macOS and Windows as well as a web client and apps for Android and iOS. We aim to provide all required functionalities with our own apps, for instance, offline access to your encrypted data is possible with our apps.
We aim to provide all required functionalities with our own apps
my required functionality is the ability to integrate other services like paperless etc.. In my support requests to them they made it very clear that they don't aim to provide that.
Posteo is the gold standard for me. They are absolutely solid in terms of values while making no big fuss about their (excellent) work - other than Tuta and Proton.
Payed for 5 years, but now I'm in the progress of migrating to a "regular" mailservice. Problems I have with tuta: The client has become super slow in recent months, it seems to get worse and worse. Notifications don't arrive or arrive too late (Android). No other way than to use it with their clients. No offline support (or at least it doesn't work for me). UI/UX isn't that great either.
Works fine. Android app doesn't require Google push notifications, unlike Proton. I like that they aren't chasing the AI pipe dream.
I'm not a fan of how they use their blog to shit on other privacy projects.
A few weeks ago, they recommended CalyxOS. I informed them that Calyx is a dead project. The next week Calyx is getting recommended again. The person(s) writing their blog doesn't seem to have a clue even when giving the information on a platter.
I like it
paid for a year a while back when they had some discount. will not renew.
like others have said:
it's a niche product. if e2ee is the primary goal, that's fine. it's not what most people want/need. as far as I see it, we lack a good service with no tracking/mining and tuta is just too much limiting.
I paid for it for years but it's just too limited. Inbox rules suck. Tags technically exist but are half baked.
Searching your tuta inbox is terrible. By default it sets the search window to a few days, and searching your entire inbox takes (not exaggerating) ~1000x as long as any other provider I've used. Where I expect a few seconds it takes tens of minutes to search a time window of ~1 month which for me might be ~1000 emails total.
Ive lost two accounts due to being inactive on them so I kinda gave up trying
I prefer it over gmail and outlook, but as others have said, it leaves a bit to be desired
Tuta is great, I like it has its own client, in particular Linux has so few options. Thunderbird is became concerning for me based upon FF underpinning & associated AI moves
That said, I team it with Posteo which is also great, and hard to beat the price
Both bring solid reputation & strong company values & ethics
Tuta works only with its clients
Posteo doesn't do custom domains
In any case you can try Tuta for free. :)
I don’t like it because you can’t use the mail address in any mail app. Only in their app or in the browser.
So when they dropped app support for my phone I had to use the web version. But then they also dropped the support for that.
Just like Microsoft they are declaring a perfectly fine phone (MS with PCs) obsolete and make it unusable (MS W11). All in the name of "Security". (Even though you can access the web version of tuta on a PC running Windows XP, a >20 year old OS. I have tried that in a VM after I couldn’t access it on my phone. How hypocritical.)
I am not going to start my PC just to check my emails. I have deleted my account.
What phone do you have?