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I keep hearing people say that hard drives won’t last long and to always have backups. But if it is like that, that means you would have to be buying drives consistently? Has anyone ever had a hard drive work for them successfully for a decade or even more where they wouldn’t have to be buying more?

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 10 months ago

I still have a working HDD from the first PC I ever built back in the mid 90's.

[-] CletusVanDamnit@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago

I have a 250GB external Seagate that is nearing 20 years old. Even made it through a house fire. Still works just fine.

[-] abstr4ct@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have some ancient Samsung spinpoints that still run...

[-] Celcius_87@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have ssd’s still in daily use that are like 12 years old. The only hdd’s I use are externals for my data backup though.

[-] plunki@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have a 50MB HDD in my first computer, a 286 Digital VaxMate that still works, from 1989 maybe?

[-] ElectroSpore@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have had many individual drives last decades at work and at home the problem is that the odds for failure are the same for each individual drive but if you have more drives the odds that YOU will see a failure increase.

It is like saying what are the odds or rolling a 1 on a 6 sided die

https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1654073/probabilities-for-rolling-multiple-dice-and-getting-one-number-or-greater

1 16.67% 4 38.58%

So think of it like having a PC with one drive, vs having a NAS which typically has 4 drives. The more drives you have the more likely it is that you will see at least one failure during the life of the drive.

[-] arclight415@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

We had an old Hitachi 9200 disk array stay up for about 12 years with maybe 1-2 disk replacements. Those were very well built systems and at the time, Hitachi companies manufactured everything in them from the drives to the paint to the screws.

[-] dr100@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have a 200MB Seagate coming from the 90s that still works fine and it was untouched from 2001 to 2019. Yes, I had to buy MANY, MANY, MANY drives in the meantime, even if that drive didn't die.

[-] umataro@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

When I started my first serious networking job, there was a syslog server in our datacentre that had been running nonstop for almost a decade. It was an ancient radiator-white supemicro 3u server with 6 SCSI disks. I decommissioned that server 7 years later. Those SCSI disks had been running nonstop for 16+ years without a single problem. The inside of the server was covered in black plastic dust from the slowly disintegrating case fans. Other than half the case fans not working, there was nothing wrong with that server.

[-] Sexy-Swordfish@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I've more than once seen a scenario of a 386 or 486 box somewhere in the corner of a server closet that has been running untouched and uninterrupted since the mid-90s, performing some absolutely critical process, with no one in the company knowing exactly what it is. Everyone who could've possibly had a clue has retired decades ago.

The only consensus is to never touch it.

This is more common than many people imagine. And it's a ticking timebomb.

However, it also speaks volumes of the sheer quality of old-school hardware (and software). Most modern stuff has to be replaced (/rewritten) every few years. But there is more COBOL code running untouched from 3 human generations ago that our entire societies depend on than most people would be comfortable with.

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[-] michrech@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I'm in the same boat as others that have commented -- I've got some old IDE drives sitting on my shelf, and every time I've ever pulled them down to see what was/is on them, they always fire right up.

I've never had any in continuous use for decades, though...

[-] Mercadi@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I've seen one with near continuous uptime from the 90s. It finally failed to detect, but some canned air cleaning did the trick.

[-] exoticsamsquanch@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I also have an old IDE drive about 25 years old that's still working. My PC is about 20 years old and the mobo has 1 ide slot so I leave it plugged in for the hell of it. My PC doesn't run continuously but it has a lot of damn hours on it.

[-] RefuseAmazing3422@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah every couple years I buy new hard drives.

I have about a dozen that are about 10-20 years old. It's getting hard to find a use for them, but so far I just use them as a 5th level backup, write once. I also destroyed a bunch that were too small.

[-] MoronicusTotalis@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Yes. And I've had various drives die without warning, including SSDs, flash media, spinning rust. You never know when a power spike (or corruption, or bad luck, or a spilled drink or...) is going to come along and smoke your storage.

[-] Error83_NoUserName@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

My 1GB (=Pentium 100 era), 20GB, 200GB IDE disks still worked when I connected them. Some have been unpowered for decades and saved in my shed. (-5 to 35°C and 60-85% humidity) I could open every single file on them that I tested.

[-] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I keep hearing people say that hard drives won’t last long...

Define long. Manufacturer R&D has shown that they can provide up to a 5 year warranty on some drives without the likelihood of excess RMA claims. During that period and beyond, for drives in consumer use, even for enterprise rated drives, there's too many variables of use.

...and to always have backups.

Mantra: Any storage device/media can fail at any time, for any reason, with or without notice.

But if it is like that, that means you would have to be buying drives consistently?

Yes. Without proper backups (i.e. at least two, ideally with one set offsite physical or cloud), you're at N-1=0

Has anyone ever had a hard drive work for them successfully for a decade or even more where they wouldn’t have to be buying more?

Unless you're never planning to add to your collection, you'll always come to a point where you need more storage space. I have some 40-200GB IDE drives that are over a decade old and would likely pass SMART, but the question is what would I use them for? Even the files I consider important are over 300GB and easily fit on single drives, so why bother splitting them up to multiple drives, increasing the likelihood of failure of one or more?

[-] hobbyhacker@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I keep hearing people say that cars won’t last long and to always have money for taxi. But if it is like that, that means you would have to be buying cars consistently? Has anyone ever had a car work for them successfully for a decade or even more where they wouldn’t have to be buying more?

[-] ClearSign6606@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

It depends on the POH (power-on hours) more than the actual age

[-] iRustock@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have buckets of tape drives that still work from the 90s, and my dad has some ST-225 drives in his old work pc that have been on 24/7 for ~30 years.

If I go and poke around some old servers at my work, I could easily find some 20 year old drives in production.

[-] ykkl@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Are you selling any of those tape drives?

[-] kizwasti@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

you should always have backups as all tech fails but yes, I have drives from the 90s. not spinning all the time but still working when required. why? ancient small scsi drives for ye olde samplers and an atari. will replace with sd cards eventually which, ironically, are much less reliable.

[-] snatch1e@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

The drives do not have any expiration data and etc. They just work until the failure, so some of them can work for 10+ years, some of them can fail in a few weeks. It is more about luck and, I think, workload.

You want to have backups with any drive, if the data is critical to you and you do not want to lose it.

[-] stkildaslut@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Bought a 2nd hand 2tb hitachi enterprise drive on ebay over 10 years ago. It's still going in my nas as the most busy disk.

[-] phantom_eight@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Just like most things on reddit, overblown.... obviously we all have random failures. I have a Dell R510 with 12x4TB disks. I had one develop bad sectors and another have some kind of issue that was cause it to make the array lock up. I think it was an issue with its board on the drive.

At the same time I have another R510 that is my cold backup with 12x2TB disks... no problems. Almost all my disks are used pulled from the company I used to work for..... don't give a shit.

If you backup or have multiple copies of stuff, who cares if drives die.

[-] 0RGASMIK@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Just have a few good practices and you should really only have to buy harddrives when they fail. I have drives that are from 2008 that I only turn on when I want to go down memory lane.

Have a few copies of your data. Original, backup, offsite backup.

Backups have parity or redundancy so if a drive fails you can replace it without completely rebuilding from backup.

Not all drives are from the same batch. This one’s more up to chance but if you get a bad batch of drives they will likely fail around the same time so it’s best to get them in groups if you are buying drives in bulk.

The only thing I notice about older drives is the speed. I would say the real reason most people constantly buy new drives is capacity. I could go out and double my capacity if I just replaced all my drives with 20TB drives. I have all 8tb drives in my setup but I plan on buying 16-20TB drives when they start to fail.

[-] OwnPomegranate5906@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I still have old IDE drives (with the ribbon cables) that still work. I still plug them in on occasion to check the data on them because they hold a copy of very old cold storage data, and even though that's not the only copy of that particular data, as long as the drive still works and I have a means of accessing it, I'll still use it to store copies of data. The oldest drive I have is a western digital 4GB drive.

[-] TastySpare@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Well, let's see:

the smallest (and therefore oldest) Disks I have in my NAS right now read 9 years, 0 months and 23 days. Pretty sure I've got some in cold storage with higher power on numbers (and even older manufacture dates, of course).

[-] Hewwo-Is-me-again@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I used to run my system from a 500gb drive I pulled from an old PC. When I retired it it was probably 15yo.

[-] LostThrowaway316@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have an 800MB Seagate that gets powered on every once in a while, still read/writes just fine. Also have a 80GB X25-M Intel SSD that is used as a boot drive for an old winxp system

[-] WhatAGoodDoggy@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I've got three drives in my NAS that are about 12yo

[-] SiliconSentry@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

A laptop 1TB HD drive from a HP Pavilion laptop still running beyond 8 years (4 years heavy usage and 4 years left untouched), still has all the data and works great

[-] Afloatcactus5@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

In actual use? I've got two. An old 500gb and 1tb western digital drive that came from trash PCs In enclosures. They've been used as game storage drives for my Xbox 1 that I got around launch back in 2013. I feel old.

[-] Tooch10@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Have a Maxtor 250GB external from 2004, but it's been unplugged since 2008ish only being turned on and used maybe a dozen times since then

[-] Pretend_Investment42@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Hitachi 2tb HDD.

I am looking to replace them however.

[-] bububibu@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I just now had to get some data from a Maxtor 120GB IDE drive, that I filled 100% in 2003 and never touched since. Figured I'd check every byte on it while I was at it (testable data), and not a single thing wrong with it.

[-] Tinguiririca@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have a 40 MB Conner HDD thats 35 years old and still works.

[-] absentlyric@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

All 6 of my Western Digital Red drives for my NAS I bought in 2009 are still going strong. I hope they keep going bc I hear all kinds of things about hard drive buying issues that Im lost on.

[-] Unnombrepls@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I think my oldest disk may probably be either a decade or close to a decade old.

It is a WD 1 TB HDD with 24798 h of usage (2.83 years=2 years 9 months, 28 days aprox).

I used to store frequently used programs and files there, as well as downloads, so I had it on most of the time.

Out of fear of it breaking, at the beginning of this year I moved all that content to a newer disk and now I use this one to run Stable diffusion. It has not broken yet despite using it daily.

[-] meshreplacer@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

My 2012 Macmini with the Fusion disk setup SSD disk with HD running 24/7 still working till this day 😂

Now my 6.4tb P4610s will probably last till the heat death of the universe.

[-] KaleMercer@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Yep, iv got a 1tb Seagate portable iv had since 2010. I use it a air gap driver and do weekly backups of my Doc files.

[-] zedkyuu@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have had a couple of drives die on me in the first year. And I have a few drives that are approaching 20 that are still working (though another one did die a year or two ago). You don’t know when a drive is going to die, only that nothing lasts forever, so that’s why to have backups.

These are all drives that were plugged in and constantly on. For drives in cold storage, I would be even more nervous about whether the drive would successfully power back on after years of being off.

[-] Negatronik@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have come to expect about 5 years on average. Sometimes they go 8 years, which is great, and by then they are obsolete.

[-] 1leggeddog@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

My 1tb wd black hdd from 2009 that I paid a lot for is still in my rig to this day

[-] bryku@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have a drive from 2008 and it is still running, but it does make some weird noises from time to time, so I recently replaced it.  

While that drive lasted 15 years, most of mine dont even last 5 years.

[-] vivificant@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have 20gb drives that still work

[-] mshriver2@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have a Seagate 4 TB drive that is a few months away from being 10 years old and is working flawlessly.

[-] GreenPRanger@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

2TB WD Green from 2010-2013 are still running and running. My 4 have 98000h

[-] UpperCardiologist523@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I got 6 WD red 3TB that all still work. They have been run 24/7 since 2012/13 They are now retired and replaced by WD red 8TB drives.

[-] joes_blog@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

40mb wd had drive in an amiga 1200, still works fine.. must say its not had much use in recent years. Think it was bought in 1993

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