[-] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago

The best possible quality to rip to either .ISO, saving the entire DVD as an image or rip and remux, placing the video into another container. Both will give you 1:1 quality of the original.

MakeMKV can do both of these and is free.

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Inspired by this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/184k6iu/are_nasrated_drives_really_worth_it/, here's AFAIK, the complete list of SMR drives as of 11/26/23. Any corrections are greatly appreciated. Hopefully this thread will be made a sticky. I will be using it a reference for the numerous times this question is asked.

Important note: There are three types of SMR drives, DM-SMR, HM-SMR and HA-SMR.

DM-SMR (Drive Managed-SMR) is the most common and are what 99.9% of drives that home consumers will buy. All write/read activities are handled by the drives electronics.

HM-SMR (Host Managed-SMR) write/read activities are as the name stated, handled by specialized off drive hardware and software. This what is used in the current 26TB WD Ultrastar, upcoming 28TB WD drive and likely the upcoming 30TB Seagate drive.

HA-SMR (Host Aware-SMR) - I don't fully understand how HA-SMR drives work, but they're not as efficient at handling writes HM-SMR and are likely to be widely implemented/available.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/13z7w96/lets_discuss_dmsmr_hmsmr_hasmr_and_dropbox/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/146hb9k/information_about_cmr_to_smr_manufacturer/

https://zonedstorage.io/docs/getting-started/smr-disk

Barring any unfounded conspiracy theory, all generally available to the public >8TB drives 3.5" drives are not DM-SMR. While technically manufacturers could submarine SMR into drives once again, that would be utterly stupid and market suicide.

Thank you to HTWingNut for this list of current SMR drives.

WD Blue 8TB is a CMR drive and just as good as any NAS drive. But I'd avoid any consumer grade hard drives 8TB and under:

  • Seagate Barracuda / Barracuda Compute [My note: The 1TB Seagate Barracuda is CMR
  • WD Blue (except 8TB) [My note: 2-4TB drives may be CMR depending on model number]
  • WD Red (Red Plus and Red Pro are fine tho)
  • Toshiba DT02 [My note: 4/6TB]
  • Toshiba P300 [My note: 4/6TB]

All consumer 2.5" Seagate and WD drive >500GB are SMR. The 9.5mm Toshiba L200 1TB is CMR, but the 7mm model is SMR.

Seagate's 2.5" Exos E line are all CMR and tops out a 2.4TB (four, 600GB platters). The is/was (can't find it on Toshiba's site), a 1TB or possibly even 2TB Toshiba surveillance drive that is CMR.

https://support-en.wd.com/app/answers/detailweb/a_id/50697/~/steps-to-determine-if-an-internal-drive-uses-cmr-or-smr-technology

https://toshiba.semicon-storage.com/ap-en/company/news/news-topics/2020/04/storage-20200428-1.html

https://www.seagate.com/products/cmr-smr-list/

[-] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago

DM-SMR is Drive Managed-SMR. All the write/read activity is handled by the onboard electronics.

HM-SMR is Host Managed-SMR. All write/read activity is handled by specialized external hardware and software. They're far from the capabilities of most home users today.

The current 26TB WD Ultrastar and upcoming 28TB WD drives are HM-SMR. The upcoming 30TB Seagate is also HM-SMR.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/13z7w96/lets_discuss_dmsmr_hmsmr_hasmr_and_dropbox/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/146hb9k/information_about_cmr_to_smr_manufacturer/

Your MaxDigitalData (MDD) drive is likely CMR because they're almost surely used enterprise drives. However, be careful as there was a user whose drive was HM-SMR and unusable.

MDD is a division of GoHardDrive and IMO, are drives that GoHardDrive doesn't want to sell under their own name. Also Avolusion (externals) is a division of GoHardDrive and has been reported to contain used drives.

[-] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago

9. r/techsupport exists.

r/Datahoarder is not a sub for tech support,

r/techsupport is for posts which could have been a google search, e.g. a post with CrystalDiskInfo screenshots with the title "is my drive ok?". Literally every question about SMART status. A**udio recordings of "is this click noise normal?" More technical questions are allowed, e.g. "what is the optimal ZFS configuration of a 24 disk array" or "how else can i automate the archiving of this [thing]"

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Thank you to dobik for sharing this the news about Czech cloud provider Uloz implementing restrictions on users to only be able to access files they've uploaded. This is in anticipation of the Digital Services Act (DSA) scheduled to take effect February 17, 2024

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/18336f0/ulo%C5%BEto/

There's too much to personally absorb and decipher, so here's Google's search results for Digital Service Act. https://www.google.com/search?q=Digital+Services+Act+&sca_esv=585139827&ei=NyNhZayHHu6sur8PtoiiCA&ved=0ahUKEwjs_vWc192CAxVulu4BHTaECAEQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Digital+Services+Act+&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiFURpZ2l0YWwgU2VydmljZXMgQWN0IDILEAAYgAQYigUYkQIyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgARI9A5QyghY9ApwAHgCkAEAmAGWAaABmQKqAQMwLjK4AQPIAQD4AQHCAgQQABhHwgIGEAAYFhge4gMEGAAgQYgGAZAGCA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

-Cut and paste from my comment to dobik's thread-

Thank you for sharing. Google translate does a good job of making the article readable.

My biggest concern is that this change is because of the Digital Services Act (DSA), which was established in August 2023 and is set to be implemented on February 17, 2024 throughout the EU. Some Very Large Online Platforms (VLOPs) and Very Large Online Search Engines (VLOSEs), those with 45 million+ users in the EU have already been contacted as an informational notice of the requirements of the DSA. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/dsa-enforcement

Hosting companies are in the third tier of DSA pyramid, but other EU hosting companies will likely start changing their policies to ensure compliance.

What is the DSA?

https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-services-act_en#:~:text=The%20DSA%20regulates%20online%20intermediaries,and%20the%20spread%20of%20disinformation.

Digital Services Act (DSA) overview

The DSA regulates online intermediaries and platforms such as marketplaces, social networks, content-sharing platforms, app stores, and online travel and accommodation platforms. Its main goal is to prevent illegal and harmful activities online and the spread of disinformation. It ensures user safety, protects fundamental rights, and creates a fair and open online platform environment.

What are the key goals of the Digital Services Act?

The DSA protects consumers and their fundamental rights online by setting clear and proportionate rules. It fosters innovation, growth and competitiveness, and facilitates the scaling up of smaller platforms, SMEs and start-ups. The roles of users, platforms, and public authorities are rebalanced according to European values, placing citizens at the centre.

The act covers all sectors of internet information, sharing and hosting.

All online intermediaries offering their services in the single market, whether they are established in the EU or outside, will have to comply with the new rules. Micro and small companies will have obligations proportionate to their ability and size while ensuring they remain accountable. In addition, even if micro and small companies grow significantly, they would benefit from a targeted exemption from a set of obligations during a transitional 12-month period.

[-] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago

Whatever you choose, make sure you have backups. Plural, ideally with at least one set offsite, physical or cloud.

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I just checked two random locations and they're available for pickup. They were mostly unavailable earlier this week, so it seems they were holding back stock for day and possibly Cyber Monday.

I personally won't buy externals anymore because of the following, but may worth it for some of you. https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/146hb9k/information_about_cmr_to_smr_manufacturer/

[-] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 3 points 10 months ago

Professional data recovery. Then, now and in the future!

[-] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

IMO, no pre-built externals are worth shucking unless they're significantly cheaper than bare retail drives.

About externals and why I recommend not buying them anymore.

This is from a Q&A with an anonymous industry insider who confirmed what others and I have speculated for years.

Q: Is it true that the drives in externals can be: overstock, overruns, binned (out of spec drives), from cancelled orders.

A: Yes to all of it. Externals are the lowest bins above the [redated] (Edit: binned rives} we sell to third parties. It’s whatever is leftover. They have less warranty because they aren’t expected to last as long.

My notes: The first part is supported by what I posted in this thread, https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/11jmot5/to_those_asking_what_drive_is_inside_my_wd/ which has a link to WD's disclosure about this.

It's been confirmed by another source that the binned drives, are drives that are Out Of Spec, flashed with special firmware that can't be updated and is no longer supported by the manufacturer. This is source of SOME of the unbranded drives from certain resellers.

[New edit not in the original thread] The above paragraph is referring to another thread where the OP bought a refurbed internal drive, not an external and it was incorrectly flashed.

Q: Is it true that in a given generation of HDD, when reduced capacities are released at the same time, you can sometimes tell from the model number that it’s the same hardware inside as a full capacity drive” To be used in externals or sold to resellers?

A: Yes, see above. The [redated] (My edit: XX drive size) were reconfigured for 12 and 14TB. The [redacted] went all the way down to 10TB to my knowledge. We just disable specific bad heads in the factory and rewrite the tracks. It’s an automated process obviously, but we can internally look up all that history on any serial number.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/146hb9k/information_about_cmr_to_smr_manufacturer/

This is from the link about WD externals referred to above

To those asking "What drive is inside my WD external?". From WD...

Drive Type Inside of a WD External Drive Enclosure

The drive inside of a Western Digital enclosure may vary depending on application.

• Depending on model, the internal drive included an external enclosure could have a SATA or native USB interface.

• We can only guarantee drive capacity.

We cannot guarantee a particular internal drive model, data interface, rotational speed, power consumption, transfer speed or cache size included in the external hard drive enclosure.

• We can only guarantee a Western Digital Drive.

We cannot guarantee a particular enclosure will have a WD colored drive inside.

• Dismantling any single-drive external enclosure to obtain this information will void the warranty of the hard drive.

Please refer to the Western Digital Warranty Policy.

• Interface and cache of the drives inside the external enclosure does not affect the performance or the data transfer rate of the external drive unit.

https://support-en.wd.com/app/answers/detailweb/a_id/13652

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/11jmot5/to_those_asking_what_drive_is_inside_my_wd/

[-] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

IMO, pointless as a potential white paper without much stricter controls than two drives and small media samples. May be enough for a undergraduate thesis, but hardly anything that would be worth any type of scrutiny or scientific value.

[-] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Max UHD disc speed is 128Mb/s / 16MB/s. Hard drives read at up to ~150-200MB/s, so far from being a limiting factor. Even the slowest 5400 RPM hard drive is still fast enough to play any 4K video.

Even SMR hard drives which do slow down as you full up the drive and/or rewrite files, are fine as the the read speed is the same as CMR drives.

Your issues with crashes and stutters is caused by something else other than the hard drive.

Note that this is for video playback. If you're writing or editing video, then an SSD makes a difference.

[-] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Storage takes space and costs money!

[-] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 3 points 10 months ago

To those complaining about Verbatim discs, understand that for decades, disc manufacturers have been selling discs from other makers under their brand name and virtually all first tier disc manufacturers around the world, notably Japan, Singapore, India, UAE have closed. CMC Magnetics used only manufacture 2nd & 3rd tier discs until they completely bought out Verbatim and Taiyo-Yuden, including their proprietary formulas.

What's always been the measure of quality is the media code https://www.videohelp.com/dvdmediaform.php?dvdinfo=1#dvdinfo which you can then cross reference in this list: https://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia

lordsmurf at digitalfaq.com gave a list of 1st tier blank DVDs that's still relevant today since only Verbatim (Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation) and Taiyo-Yuden are the only brands/formulas in use today. https://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm

Name brands like Sony, TDK and Maxell are still on the market today, but the media code will show the discs are 2nd or 3rd tier inferior products.

The reason for the quality decline in blank DVDs is that like CDs, the price bottomed out and 1st tier media could no longer be sold at as premium. The good news is you can still get Verbatim AZO discs if you shop carefully and read the package label, lookin for the AZO name and logo. Taiyo-Yuden discs are also still available at a premium.

Note that the media code can be faked, so be sure to buy from a known, reputable seller where you can return your unused discs if they're bad.

[-] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

WD Blue 6TB is SMR. There are no 8TB+ WD SMR drives in any line. And there are no 10TB+ SMR drives in any Seagate line. Unsure about Toshiba.

https://support-en.wd.com/app/answers/detailweb/a_id/50697/related/1

https://www.seagate.com/products/cmr-smr-list/

https://toshiba.semicon-storage.com/ap-en/company/news/news-topics/2020/04/storage-20200428-1.html

For 2.5" drives, with the exception of a few Toshiba and specialized Seagate Exos E, all >500GB are SMR.

[-] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Whatever you use, be sure to a CRC and generate a HASH (and ideally save it for future reference) to ensure you copies are bit for bit accurate. This is especially critical for audio files where a split second glitch will haunt you forever!

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