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Macron: ‘No amount of intimidation’ will change EU nations’ course on Greenland
(www.theguardian.com)
Kick all US personnel out of Greenland.
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They should be on the phone with congress. Just do an end around Trump.
I think the orange turd bluffed himself into a corner.
First he threatened to take Greenland by force if necessary. Europe didn't back down and responded by sending troops to Greenland to prepare for possible conflict.
The pedo realised this bluff didn't work. So now he's threatening with tariffs again.
Military conflict would have had much worse consequences for both sides than the tariffs. So why would anyone back down for 10% tariffs?
And if anyone learned anything about tariffs in the FSA (Fascist States of America) from 2025 is that they hurt American people just as much, if not more.
Americans don't want Greenland and they don't want higher prices.
Let's see how smart the orange turd is.
Let's keep all the champagne in EU
Well...umm...we'll retaliate by making it so champagne not produced in the Champagne region of France can still be labeled as "champagne!" T_T
And the USA gets real pain.
Why doesn’t Europe do psyops on Americans like Russia? Christ, as we’ve seen America is very easily manipulated.
Why doesn’t Europe do psyops on Americans like Russia?
What makes you think they don't?
If they are it’s not working
Europe doesn't have a unified intelligence services or anything similar, yet.
They're planning to establish a joint cyber operations unit to retaliate against Russia.
Once the unit is established, they could and should use it against rogue fascist countries like the FSA (Fascist States of America)
This isn't something to celebrate, and will only accelerate Europe's slide into fascism.
Europe is already complicit with many of America's worst criminal wars and genocides, and giving the governments more "intelligence" power will be used to secure their interests, not yours. More surveillance will never make you more free and secure.
The right has so many they would try to stop you, minimize you. Publicize it and make a big fuss.
You should though. But your own countries will fall under our leadership in the west, without a real popular reform you will fall as well to fake popular reform of a far right backed by the us, russia, billionaires.
We go straight at it. A thing i personally despise very much is this all secret behind the back stuff with misinformation and whatnot.
Personally i think we would do our enemies a favor if we punch their teeth in since the brain gets more oxygen that way and they may come to their senses.
Cringe keyboardwarrior i know but thats my opinion.
Coming from a country where im not even sure we have a secret service.(maybe its just that good 🧐)
If you're not gonna do psyops, you have to do an even better counter-psyops. Otherwise you will be fucked in the ass without realising it, until you're bleeding to death and it's too late.
Just look at how beautifully Russian psyops worked on splitting up the Americunts and pitting them against each other.
Russian psyops have lesser effect in Europe because people in Europe are generally better educated and are also taught in schools about propaganda and fake news and how to recognise those.
The best kind of psyops is the kind nobody thinks is even happening. Trying to be subtle in today's brash politics may not be the best plan though I guess, it takes too long.
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Not my own but I liked how this seems to be the logic operating between Trump and his peers:
"Tax the americans, until the europeans comply."
You do realize that tariffs do impact the nation being tariffed as well right? They don't pay the tax directly, but it does make it harder to sell goods in your nation due to an inflated price.
Well that's how they are usually used. Right now basically everyone is getting tariffed and they change by the hour. Why would I make a new deal with another country for a product that is likely inferior for my purposes to what I was using when that country's tariff rate could go up tomorrow over some political nonsense? Or the country that exports rubs shoulders and all the sudden the rate falls.
Trade is complicated and deals take time. Stability is still most important.
I do understand that yes, but the tariff itself is placed on the consumer end.
Import tariffs raise the cost of imported goods. For many goods this reduces import volumes and lowers sales for exporters (the tariff's intended effect). For goods without substitutes, imports continue, and firms often (depending on price elasticity, and competition) pass the higher input cost on to consumers as higher downstream prices rather than absorbing it.
It makes sense when you understand that this is class war. The working class is being choked in both the US and Europe all while fueling nationalism within each.
Seems to me you are making a major false equivalence there.
In what way is the working class being choked in EU?
Unlike USA EU countries have a right to unionize, we have actual democracies and EU also have livable minimum wages despite some EU countries being only a fourth as wealthy as USA.
Also nationalism in Europe is very different than in USA, as EU has 27 countries, it's not like EU will suddenly become one maniac nationalist/fascist nation with a giant army that can oppress the entire EU population like can happen in USA.
EU is not perfect, except when compared to USA or China, then it kind of is.
The worldwide class difference is a problem when the market is open to everyone, so investment grade assets like real estate are priced on a foreign billionaire level everywhere. Our local labour laws are pretty decent, and we have really good wage equality overall but the rest of you are dragging us down frankly. Since you mentioned them, China had the right idea to impose severe restrictions around that type of "investing" and we should probably follow their example to some degree. One way to fight absurd wealth accumulation is to make it impossible to buy anything with it.
but the rest of you are dragging us down
Where are you from? and who is "you"? If foreigners are buying your real estate nothing is simpler than not allowing foreigners to own real estate in your country. Failing to do that is not the fault of other countries.
China had the right idea to impose severe restrictions around that type of “investing”
China is not all bad, but it is a totalitarian regime, where people can be imprisoned just for expressing a political opinion.
That kind of oppression of the people and ideas makes China clearly worse than EU, where it is a protected right.
The worst countries regarding making land unavailable to ordinary people are way poorer countries than USA and EU and are Asian countries, where land is part of a social construct, and your worth and ability for marriage is tied to how much land you own. Where not the foreigners but the local rich are pressuring out ordinary people.
In what way is the working class being choked in EU?
The same neoliberals are in power in Europe, and the same redistribution of wealth from below to the top happens in Europe. All over Europe they tell us we have to work more, earn less, our social services are too expensive, and "what are you talking about, rich people should pay taxes, are you insane?"
If you truly believe the working class is not being choked in Europe you've got to open your eyes. They are just a bit more subtle about it over here.
they tell us
Is that what it boils down to? AFAIK you are free to vote for someone who doesn't say that.
Yes there have been problems, first Covid, then Russia invading Ukraine disrupting oil and gas supplies plus demanding higher defense expenses, and then Trump winning the presidency on USA putting tariffs on EU.
All these are outside factors that have had an impact, but apart from that the general trend in EU is absolutely to improve conditions for the population, which has far from been the case in USA.
Yes they warn that times are bit tighter now than they should have been, but that's reality and not because we are being choked by our own.
I agree the rich need to be taxed more, and the distribution of wealth is unfair, but at least in EU we have a fighting chance, where in USA they have basically given up on fundamental rights like free healthcare and a living wage.
I hear the working class in the EU is having troubles with inflation and housing.
Here in the UK it's pretty fucked. I earn a fairly low wage, and I live in a van because housing is so expensive. I could just about afford to pay rent, but I couldn't afford much else. The van thing isn't ideal - I'm in my 50s, hot summers and cold winters are challenging - but this is the only way I can afford to be able to do stuff and even save a bit.
UK is not in EU.
UK has lost about 7.5-10% of their economy due to Brexit. Incidentally exactly as I warned would happen during the campaign for the Brexit election, where I warned the UK economy could decline up to 1% per year compared to remaining. Turns out I was pretty much spot on. My guess is this has hit the lower paid workers harder than average, because that is generally the nature of such things, unless there is political will to prevent it. But in situations with tighter economy, such political will almost always evaporates.
For UK workers overall this is a self inflicted wound. But of course if you voted remain, this was inflicted upon you by your countrymen. UK is in a special situation, and can not be used as an example for the rest of Europe.
Hopefully we will see this effect decrease, as UK forms new agreements with EU, and the economy settles on a natural level for the new conditions.
Yeah, I voted remain and like you I could clearly see the harm that leaving the EU would cause, but I couldn't get the leave voters in my life to listen - so fuckin frustrating! And yeah, it's hit lower paid workers harder, and even those who've had pay rises have rarely had 'rises' that meet inflation.
For me there was also the added element that I very much appreciated freedom of movement. I've lived and worked and had relationships and made myself at home in several EU countries and I intended to do so again in the future. So few people seemed to value the incredible opportunity this was - fuck off abroad, get a job and a flat, learn the language, make a home. Now I can only spend I think 90 out of any 180 day period in an EU country because of all those dimwitted bigots who voted leave.
I don't think I'll ever stop feeling angry about this.
I don’t think I’ll ever stop feeling angry about this.
I 100% get that, it was a moronic decision IMO.
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It helps that Donald Trump is not intimidating.
I don’t know… I find it quite intimidating that there’s a bunch of power in the hands of a psychopath with dementia and emotional self-regulation abilities worse than the average toddler.
There isn’t. He’s just the fall guy for the actually powerful people.
It is interesting that the pedophile defender says only he can defend Greenland but he is a lame duck president and won’t be there in 3 years. Could easily be dead by then too.
If you think the fascist will roll over and allow a peaceful transfer of power in 3 years then you have not been paying attention.
Exactly, and it's not just Trump, it's the entire White house administration. J. D. Vance is just as bat shit crazy as Trump is, and Stephen Miller is even worse.
Even worse, they're smarter than him.
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Far be it from me to defend a Trump in any way, but the American desire to control Greenland does pre-date his presidency by a good stretch and it will still be a fond wish of the Department of War after he is gone. Trump is in this one personally because he thinks it will be a jewel of his legacy to add territory to the country. And he is always up for confrontational harassment of Europe and brandishing his sword as CIC. But Greenland specifically was put on his agenda by others in security defense circles. There is a case for it, and that case isn’t old and tired, it’s getting stronger as ice melts.
There is a case for America to ally with Denmark and the EU, so that America can partner on resources to the benefit of all involved, and so America can support and maintain military presence for the mutual security of the North.
It's the height of American arrogance, and indifference to global suffering, to even consider that there is a case where the US unilaterally occupies Greenland.
Dude, there is a case in American history for doing genocide of natives too. What is your "defense" of Trump here? Like, I don't disagree with you that American Imperialism is not unique to Trump - but you seem to be saying this makes it justified? Maybe I'm reading your comment wrong though.
The best time to stand up to Trump was when he first started making threats to the EU. The second best time is now. It's time to stand up and if Trump doesn't TACO, we in the EU can start selling his treasuries and putting tarrifs on US cloud providers.
FACT: TACO
Do whatever you want, France. Trump will chicken out. Nothing else is as for sure other than that.
TACO is for things that could hurt the stock market or the the profits of capital. It literally comes from Wall Street traders.
TACO is not for Trump being reckless and cruel. He bombed Iran, he bombed fishing boats, he kidnapped a leader of a sovereign country, he has built concentration camps and is sending his SS troops door to door.
You best hope enough wealthy capitalist convince him not to invade Greenland. Because that's the only reason he won't. Don't expect fascist to not take easy "wins" of cruelty to show power when they can.
Fascist only back down when their capitalist owners tell them to OR when there is a chance they could be resisted and seen as weak.
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