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So, this is a semi-shitpost because I personally think that it’s pretty unlikely. But I’m also curious what you all think. Tensions are continuing to rise between the federal government and certain blue states, and I think that makes it an interesting possibility to explore, if nothing else.

If it did actually happen, here’s the one way I could see it going down.

Step one: any number of blue states that have had enough of the federal government/Trump administration form a coalition and mutually agree that they’re ready to rumble. We may see blocs of contagious blue states form (e.g. the three West Coast states).

Step two: Democratic leaders in said states somehow figure out a way to consolidate power amongst the various law enforcement agencies and National Guard contingencies of their respective states such that these organizations could be effectively marshaled against the federal government. This would be an enormous hurdle to clear, but if these politicians could figure it out, then we’d have ourselves a ball game.

Step three: these states then take some kind of materially adverse action against the federal government that actually has some teeth, such as barring DHS agents from their territory by force.

Step four: Trump and co. lose their fucking minds and the game is on. We may see some troops from the DOD branches defect to their home states (if they intend to take on the federal government), although most probably wouldn’t…?

Of course, this scenario would require the Democratic leaders of those blue states to have gargantuan balls, which is completely uncharacteristic of them.> Anyway, like I said, it’s pretty unlikely. But, if it did happen, that’s how I could see it going down. What do you all think?

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Considering the folks most eager to have a civil war, are on the government's side...I don't think it's going to be a "war" exactly. More like everyone else is going to be rounded up and exterminated in manageable chunks.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Low to nil. The whole point of ICE is to normalize this new, restrained American empire that preys on its citizens before other people, but also to incite hatred that eventually leads to civilian disobedience/actually shooting one of these ICE dogs down, so Trump can move the army in this state of emergency, and also stay in power. And once that group is dealt with the others will follow in fear. And that will be the end of whatever proletarian revolution America could have had. MAGA would cheer, the rest would mourn but walk the party line, and everyone would quickly go back to their lives and their distractions.

Either that or some Dem candidate is pushed as an alternative to "evil Nazi trump" (as if Obama didn't drone the shit out of the Middle East, and Biden had record deportation numbers, American imperialism and the boomerang that's hitting you now are bipartisan policies, they're bigger than them and come before them because the people who actually make decisions in the US have always been money people, not the average person) and everyone eats it up but nothing changes fundamentally, just the aesthetics and America becomes even more of a slave base than it already is. Or both! Regardless, prepare to be poorer and less comfortable, as many benefits from the empire's plunder you took for granted will disappear. You've had the advantage, whether you see it or not, because the bombs went elsewhere and the money came home, and some of it trickled down, and you didn't have to worry about your physical safety. All of this is changing, as global capital, with many Americans on board, has decided to restructure America and tighten the screws with its human resources.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Pretty damn high, but a shit ton of bad must happen first. If it happens it going be bad. I mean we got to have conditions worse then great depression. Also in today's age we would have a likely chance of being taken over by a foreign country mainly China and Russia. Who by the way are fueling the flames on sites like X and Facebook.

[–] atropa@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

First midterm election ,otherwise trump wil use the riots in his ........

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't see a realistic scenario where states have an actual chance against the US military without serious outside assistance, which they would most likely not get. Assuming the state governors understand the same, the chance of them instigating a civil war over what we're seeing now are extremely low, basically zero.

If the fed ends up going ham enough to get into a land war with actual international contenders, then I could maybe see blue states taking the opportunity to take a stand, I dunno if that's a "civil war" at that point, though.

[–] Iteria@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

The US government didn't do well in any situation with an insurgency. This is to say nothing of the sheer numbers advance citizens have. It's why ICE is struggling now that people are resisting. You need a 10 to 1 citizen to soldier ratio to subdue a resisting population. Ice has 8K. They can hold a small mid-sized city. Which is why they are doing suburbs. And the population is be peaceful right now. They left immediately when it wasn't. See: Chicago and it's informal bounty program. And lol that Appalachia attempt.

Sure bombs, but I think Ukraine has proven that's not enough to stop a determined population. The US military might be able to subdue sectors of the US, but no way would they be able to subdue even the top 10 largest cities. They don't have the manpower.

Personally, I don't think we'll have a civil war. I don't believe if shit gets bad MAGA as a collective will hold together. But I do think we have a high possibility of balkanization and/or a the trouble scenario.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I have a different story.

Midterms go bad for republicans. Trump says they were frodulent, republicans back him. Elections get canceled. Some states rebel, some generals too.

Most likely scenario is that rebellion goes bad quickly, because not a lot of generals back it. Rebellion is defeated quickly, people are taken and just go missing in ice facilities. Fully authoritarian Russian-like state enforced with crazy gestapo and ai.

That's the most likely scenario. I wouldn't say there is a small chance for that. I mean, the guy didn't accept he lost elections once before. Now he has way more power and most importantly: he does insane stuff every single day and nobody does anything - he knows he can get away with it.