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"I talk to young founders these days and for them, there’s no other world than the Trump world. I ask them what inspired them to go into tech and they say they read Marc Andreessen’s manifesto, they read Peter Thiel’s books, and I think, “Oh, your brain’s cooked.” They come in pre-pickled. But everyone else who could have told an alternate narrative has been hounded out of the industry."

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[–] Rekall_Incorporated@piefed.social 61 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There is a silver lining to all this, an opportunity for the rest of the world to embrace new models (open competitive markets, truly customer-focused services) that go beyond the American cult of the pompous, regressive oligarch. Not saying it will happen tomorrow or in an utopian fairy tale manner, but history tends to be cyclical.

To get the next peak, you have to hit bottom first.

A side note, check out Marc Andreessen's "manifesto":

https://a16z.com/the-techno-optimist-manifesto/

This is "teenager just discovered speed" level sophomoric writing.

This is a good thing, it means with right kind of pressure he will fold as he doesn't believe in what he is writing.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago

I lost interest here

We believe in Milton Friedman’s observation that human wants and needs are infinite.

We believe markets also increase societal well being by generating work in which people can productively engage. We believe a Universal Basic Income would turn people into zoo animals to be farmed by the state. Man was not meant to be farmed; man was meant to be useful, to be productive, to be proud.

We believe technological change, far from reducing the need for human work, increases it, by broadening the scope of what humans can productively do.

We believe that since human wants and needs are infinite, economic demand is infinite, and job growth can continue forever

If human wants and needs are infinite, why do they turn off when our basic needs are met?

This reads like a "I am so smart" post.

[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Holy shit that reads like the kinda dumb shit I'd write in high school on drugs.

This is a “teenager just discovered speed” level of sophomoric writing.

It really is. It's almost reads like a parody of a regressive oligarch.

[–] Coolcoder360@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We believe the ultimate moral defense of markets is that they divert people who otherwise would raise armies and start religions into peacefully productive pursuits.

Um. Hmm. Pretty sure that didn't work and those in politics are raising armies and not doing peaceful pursuits...

Also a lot of the stuff about willing buyer and seller assumes that the buyer has options, I don't think from the perspective of real people that everyone has that many options, so they end up with loans or other things which are not good, just to be able to afford vehicles to get to work or a place to live.

So a lot if this seems written by a rich person who has always been able to buy everything they needed and more, not someone who is having to go take loans or go into debt just to be able to get to work.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

It also assumes the seller has options. It's true when the field is equal but Amazon and Walmart both famously squeeze their suppliers to pain and everybody screws their laborers

[–] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

I love how everything it is saying could be logical and good in another context, but the way it says it is dark and evil

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy defines ~~the marketing devision of the Sirius Cybernetic Corporation~~ young founders as "a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes,”

[–] prex@aussie.zone 15 points 1 week ago

And the 'products' they spruik:

‘it is very easy to be blinded to the essential uselessness of them by the sense of achievement you get from getting them to work at all.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The next great depression is going to be lit.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 1 week ago

What he's saying is that fascism prevents depression. Need more oil? Just go take it.

[–] RottenHeads@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

I don't know why, but it feels like the tipping point was back when Thiel destroyed Gawker using Hogan.

After that he was less exposed as the psycho he is, anyone else too.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Imagine reading Peter Thiel's books as anything besides a sociological analysis of the postmodern, capitalist West (I haven't, btw, I'm just assuming it's about ideology and not a cook book). Goddamn. I bet even Ayn Rand makes more sense....

I'm not a believer in Ayn Rand or objectivism, she was wrong on the fundamentals, but she's excellent brain exercise. It's vanishingly rare to find anyone who can meaningfully explain an organized, recursively-coherent single-idea philosophy for 70 pages (the Atlas Shrugged monologue) without clear contradiction if you accept her flawed premises. She truly, viscerally believed, and spent the time thinking about it to prove it (even if, again, she's wrong).

This manifesto is just someone who made some money post-facto rationalizing it with grade-school logic.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago

Well that's terrifying

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You would think that with all the 'expert' tech people out of jobs maybe they could band together and take the billionaires down? It would cause a depression but I think that would be more palatable than the depression that is coming regardless but in which the billionaires will still be billionaires?

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 6 points 1 week ago

500,000 jobs eliminated, how many of those 500,000 are still unemployed? Of those, how many have the means to "band together and take the billionaires down?"

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I lost interest here

We believe in Milton Friedman’s observation that human wants and needs are infinite.

We believe markets also increase societal well being by generating work in which people can productively engage. We believe a Universal Basic Income would turn people into zoo animals to be farmed by the state. Man was not meant to be farmed; man was meant to be useful, to be productive, to be proud.

We believe technological change, far from reducing the need for human work, increases it, by broadening the scope of what humans can productively do.

We believe that since human wants and needs are infinite, economic demand is infinite, and job growth can continue forever

If human wants and needs are infinite, why do they turn off when our basic needs are met?

This reads like a "I am so smart" post.