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I generated 16 character (upper/lower) subdomain and set up a virtual host for it in Apache, and within an hour was seeing vulnerability scans.

How are folks digging this up? What's the strategy to avoid this?

I am serving it all with a single wildcard SSL cert, if that's relevant.

Thanks

Edit:

  • I am using a single wildcard cert, with no subdomains attached/embedded/however those work
  • I don’t have any subdomains registered with DNS.
  • I attempted dig axfr example.com @ns1.example.com returned zone transfer DENIED

Edit 2: I'm left wondering, is there an apache endpoint that returns all configured virtual hosts?

Edit 3: I'm going to go through this hardening guide and try against with a new random subdomain https://www.tecmint.com/apache-security-tips/

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[–] SwissOS@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Do you use an external DNS when accessing your subdomain? I can only guess that it's the DNS leaking it.

[–] androidul@lemmy.world 86 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

if you use Let’s Encrypt (ACME protocol) AFAIK you can find all domains registered in a directory that even has a search, no matter if it’s wildcard or not.

It was something like this https://crt.sh/ but can’t find the site exactly anymore

LE: you can also find some here https://search.censys.io/

[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 47 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Holy shit, this has every cert I’ve ever generated or renewed since 2015.

[–] vf2000@lemmy.zip 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Certificate Transparency makes public all issued certificates in the form of a distributed ledger, giving website owners and auditors the ability to detect and expose inappropriately issued certificates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_Transparency

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 22 points 3 days ago (4 children)

This.

That's why temping obscurity for security is not a good idea. Doesn't take much to be "safe", at least reasonably safe. But that not much its good practice to be done :)

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[–] antrosapien@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Holy shit... I thought it was DNS resolver selling these data

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 33 points 3 days ago

Chrome: Sees new website domain

Google: 👀

[–] TieDyePie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

If you do a GET / request against the IP (typically http too) does it yield a redirect to your proper fqdn? It shouldn't return anything and remain stealthy as you likely dont want to expose anything directly on IP connections and rely solely on your vhosts.

[–] Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz 54 points 3 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

Fewer Letters More Letters
CA (SSL) Certificate Authority
DNS Domain Name Service/System
IP Internet Protocol
SSL Secure Sockets Layer, for transparent encryption
TLS Transport Layer Security, supersedes SSL
VPN Virtual Private Network
VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)

7 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 16 acronyms.

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[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago

Kudos to the bot.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

https://crt.sh/

When a CA issues an SSL/TLS certificate, they're required to submit it to public CT logs (append-only, cryptographically verifiable ledgers). This was designed to detect misissued or malicious certificates.

Red and Blue team alike use this resource (crt.sh) to enumerate subdomains.

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But this still doesn't explain it. Like OP I also use a wildcard cert. The subdomains are never exposed.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

For anyone who needs to read it: At the end of the day this is obscurity, not security; however obscurity is a good secondary defense because it buys time.

I too would be interested to learn how this leaked

[–] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

it's not even obscurity; it's logged publicly.

[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's not. Wildcard DNS and wildcard cert. Domain is not logged publicly.

People that keep saying logged publicly simply don't understand setup and technology

[–] Keelhaul@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago

How is it being logged publicly? Like OP said there is no specific subdomain registered in the DNS records (instead using a wildcard). Same for the SSL cert. Only things I can think of is the browser leaking the subdomains (through google or Microsoft) or the DNS queries themselves being logged and leaked. (Possibly by the ISP inspecting the traffic or logging and leaking on their own DNS servers?). I would hardly call either of those public.

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[–] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If you have browser with search suggestions enabled, everything you type in URL bar gets sent to a search engine like Google to give you URL suggestions. I would not be surprised if Google uses this data to check what it knows about the domain you entered, and if it sees that it doesn't know anything, it sends the bot to scan it to get more information.

But in general, you can't access a domain without using a browser which might send that what you type to some company's backend and voila, you leaked your data.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 6 points 3 days ago

Easily verified by creating another bunch of domains and using a browser that doesn't do tracking - like waterfox

[–] kumi@feddit.online 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What you can do is segregate networks.

If the browser runs in, say, a VM with only access to the intranet and no internet access at all, this risk is greatly reduced.

[–] oranki@sopuli.xyz 18 points 3 days ago

Maybe that particular subdomain is getting treated as the default virtual host by Apache? Are the other subdomains receiving scans too?

I don't use Apache much, but NGINX sometimes surprises on what it uses if the default is not specifically defined.

[–] pageflight@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do post again if you figure it out!

[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Crawlers typically crawl by ip.

Are u sure they just not using ip?

U need to expressly configure drop connection if invalid domain.

I use similar pattern and have 0 crawls.

+1 for dropped connections on invalid domains. Or hell, redirect them to something stupid like ooo.eeeee.ooo just so you can check your redirect logs and see what kind of BS the bots are up to.

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

A long time ago, I turned a PC in my basement into a web server. No DNS. Just a static IP address. Within 15 minutes, the logs showed it was getting scanned.

SSL encrypts traffic in-transit. You need to set up auth/access control. Even better, stick it behind a Web Application Firewall.

Or set up a tunnel. Cloudflare offers a free one: https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/networks/connectors/cloudflare-tunnel/

[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago

You need to look at the DNS server used by whatever client is resolving that name. If it's going to an external recursive resolver instead of using your own internal DNS server then you could be leaking lookups to the wider internet.

[–] toebert@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago

I can't say I know the answer but a few ideas:

  • did you access it with a browser? Maybe it snitches on you or some extension does?
  • did you try to resolve it with a public DNS server at any point (are you sure nothing forwarded the request to one)?

You could try it again, create the domain in the config and then do absolutely nothing. Don't try to confirm it works in any way. If you don't see the same behaviour you can do one of the above and then the other and see when it kicks in. If it gets picked up without you doing anything..then pass!

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

We're always watching.

[–] kumi@feddit.online 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You say you have a wildcard cert but just to make sure: I don't suppose you've used ACME for Letsencrypt or some other publicly trusted CA to issue a cert including the affected name? If so it will be public in Certificate Transparency Logs.

If not I'd do it again and closely log and monitor every packet leaving the box.

[–] BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The random name is not in the public log. Someone else suggested that earlier. I checked CRT.sh and while my primary domain is there, the random one isn't.

[–] kumi@feddit.online 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

My next suspicion from what you've shared so far apart from what others suggested would be something out of the http server loop.

Have you used some free public DNS server and inadvertently queried it with the name from a container or something? Developer tooling building some app with analytics not disabled? Any locally connected AI agents having access to it?

[–] wasabi@feddit.org 6 points 3 days ago
[–] 69420@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are you sure they're hitting the hostname and not just the IP directly?

[–] BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Shows up by name in the apache other_hosts...log, so yes

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[–] dcatt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] ambitiousslab@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I believe that some DNS servers are configured to allow zone transfers without any kind of authentication. While properly configured servers will whitelist the IPs of secondaries they trust, for those that don't, hackers can simply request a zone transfer and get all subdomains at once.

I don't have any subdomains registered with DNS.

I attempted dig axfr example.com @ns1.example.com returned zone transfer DENIED

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Did you yourself make a request to it or just set it up and not check it? My horrifying guess it that if you use SNI in a request every server in the middle could read the subdomain and some system in the internet routing is untrustworthy.

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[–] stratself 3 points 2 days ago

My guess would be NSEC zone walking if your DNS provider supports DNSSEC. But that shouldn't work with unregistered or wildcard domains

The next guess would be during setup, someone somewhere got ahold of your SNI (and/or outgoing DNS requests). Maybe your ISP/VPN service actually logs them and announce it to the world

I suggest next time, try setting up without any over-the-internet traffic at all. E.g. always use curl with the --resolve flag on the same VM as Apache to check if it's working

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago
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