Then I guess it's a good thing they didn't bother to produce more episodes past season 5.

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Then I guess it's a good thing they didn't bother to produce more episodes past season 5.

I still think it would have been a better ending if the white walkers killed everyone and took over. Just stepping over bodies of favorite characters as they get seated on the iron throne.
Like the red wedding or the end of season 1..
That would have been a shit ending. But you are right, it would have been much better than we got.
I think it could have been done well if you had the conflict from Danerys and Cersei basically leave humanity open to the whitewalkers invasion. Essentially set up the fall of man due to a power struggle.
Would have worked a bit with the overall narrative that the game of thrones doesn't matter if there is nothing left to claim at the end.
I would have preferred that. The shit behind the wall was the boogeyman the entire time and we got what? A bullshit pitch black raid on winter fell?
I do not understand why fools rush these things and ruin good things. You're holding a gold mine and put it through a paper shredder for what?
We live in the age of everything behind a subscription, the people without talent will always try to take a good thing and burn it for a buck. Trying to understand them is like trying to understand why people voted for a man in a diaper, trice.
At the time rumor was that the Benioff and Weiss were already working on their next show (3-body problem?), and just wanted to get GoT out of the way.
IIRC they were tied to something Star Wars related, which they subsequently lost. It was the tiniest consolation for GoT fans as it did nothing to un-ruin the show.
Because they wanted to work on Star Wars, but this was such a flop Disney pulled the deal
I was a diehard fan of the show and the books. Mostly the books. The show, I stopped loving after the midway point of season 4 when it dawned on me that these fucks had no idea what they were doing and worse yet: they didn't actually care.
That the only reason the show had been this good up until now was because they had more or less translated the book into script directly and George had also been with them in the writers room right up until their "creative differences" in season 4.
I originally stopped watching after suffering through season 5 and only went back because my friends begged me to watch it with them and I was the ASOIAF expert in the group. When Arya killed the Night King I quietly turned it off and never finished it.
I think it hit me so hard because had I spent almost a decade being a super dedicated fan who would spend a lot of my free time deep diving into analyses and studying the worldbuilding, listening to interviews and talks with George, listening to fan podcasts that did deep dives, reading and re-reading the books while taking my own notes and making my own theories. It had really helped me through a very very dark period in my life where I felt lost and like I didn't have a purpose at all. It might sound a bit dumb, but yeah. It was one of many little things in my life that helped me hold on to it and not just peace out, you know.
And to realize that Dumb and Dumber didn't actually care and that they rushed the shit out of the show and pooped out season 8 because they wanted to move on to star wars (lol how did that go for them?) that was just so painful. Not just for myself, but for George too. The cast and crew who dedicated so much blood sweat and tears to this franchise and for the fans like me who loved this world so much and got inspired to write and build worlds ourselves while escaping from things in our real lives that hurt.
And it just got farted out like that when there was no reason for it.
I am not kidding when I say that up until recently when Trump announced for a second time that he wants to annex Greenland from my country, the way Dumb and Dumber treated GoT was the angriest I had ever been. Goofy as it sounds. .
It literally killed my interest in reading books and watching movies and TV shows. It took me three years to start watching movies again regularly and I am generally known among friends and colleagues as the movie buff. I'm the one you ask for movie recommendations. GoT killed my interest in movies for three years. It's better nowadays, but I still don't watch TV shows and I rarely read. If I do I try to stay away from series. Only exception was Earthsea recently. But yeah.
The last time I dove into the ASOIAF world was when George released Fire and Blood. I haven't touched it since and I will probably never rewatch the show nor re-read the books. It's just such a bitter feeling everytime I see anything from that franchise now.
I feel your pain. Truly.
George and Pat Rothfuss changed my reading habits, now I'm not picking up series unless they're done. Plenty of great works out there, like The Last Kingdom or the Aubrey/Maturin series. Ditto for TV series, especially Netflix produced ones. Too many get the chop on a dip of viewership these days.
I half suspect George lost his will to write after seeing how dnd massacred the last 3 seasons. Who wouldn't? Especially if they were mangling his book notes. Now he's treating this series as a chore, and he'd rather do anything else.
Personally, I fully believe that the way the show ended played a huge role in George not finishing the books.
George is a perfectionist and I remember how he once mentioned that he stopped following fan forums years before the show was even a thing because when he saw fan theories guessing correctly the plot twists he had been working on, he started second guessing himself and felt the urge to change them. Instead of doing that, he stuck with the plots he had thought out and cut himself off from the fan forums, as I said.
I also know that George entrusted Dumb and Dumber with the biggest plot twists and they carelessly butchered almost all of them in the show.
While things were still good, George would regularly upload sample chapters for Winds of Winter onto his blog and I read all of them. I used to think that the idiot showrunners would take the show in a different direction and leave it up to George to finish his vision on his own because it was clear he wouldn't finish the books before the show caught up to them.
Many fans agreed and expected that the showrunners would go in their own direction because they had made several choices along the way that entirely closed off important plotpoints and back then we all thought that they were capable writers.
Turns out the changes were more stuff like "we can't include Tysha because Tyrion is popular and we don't want him to go on his villain arc because hes a fan favourite. Stuff like that.
And for me, it became very clear that they were following George's plot when the sample chapters from Winds of Winter appeared in the show in the most mangled manner.
I believe that the way the show ended was a horror fun house mirror of the true ending that George had planned for decades. They fucked it because they are retarded and lazy. I cannot imagine anything more heartbreaking as a writer with the perfectionism and self doubt that George has to see my big ending with Dany going mad, Jaime and Cersei dying in each other's arms and Bran becoming the king of the north being done so terribly and being recieved with so much hatred from the fans.
Although I fully believe that Arya killing the night king was Dumb and Dumber following the girl boss trend and not what George had planned for her nor Jon's characters.
I genuinely think it broke him. The fact that he already struggles with finishing his works because of his perfectionism was bad enough, but to realize that you handed over the pay offs of your decades long magnum opus to two retards... ooff.
I'm still trying to get back into reading. Recently I have mostly stuck with autobiographies of local people in my country. Reading about dirt poor farmers in the 30s and 40a and stuff like that is pretty sick. Makes you both appreciate the comforts you have in the 21st century and mourn the lost connection with nature and the seasons. Anyways, biographies are kinda my catnip these days. For some reasons, and despite loving fiction, I still just can't find it in me to bother to get invested in someone else's worldbuilding xD again, Earthsea being the only exception.
Also sorry for my bad English. I'm usually better at writing, but I'm in stupid mode today. 🫠
Without having any of the background you have, I also couldn't finish season five, it just felt off. The spark was gone, and I wasn't hooked anymore.
I've never watched GOT and it sounds like I shouldn't bother
Back when it first aired it was amazing, people went wild for it, and with reason: it's really that good. For the first 5 seasons. Season 6&7 become mixed bags because the writers tan out of original source materials and they sucked at writing themselves, and at season 8 theyr recieved a mouthwatering contract for star wars and just wanted to get rid of GoT, even though HBO wanted multiple seasons more.
So, they just write and produces a 6 episode piece of shit that was scandalously bad. Production was bad, writing was just amazingly bad.
Watch the first seven seasons, they're worth it!
You could watch it if you stop before the end, maybe through season 6, definitely before 8.
I still recommend the books though, which are still good despite the fact that we will never see the end written by the original author.
It's absolutely worth watching - still the best TV I ever watched. The problem is that the book Author is an absolutely amazing writer, and the show runners were not good writers, so when the show surpassed the books, it was obvious (this is essentially the last two seasons). The show runners also rushed the ending because they were told Disney had a Star wars trilogy waiting for them. GoT easily could have been another 3 seasons to have a proper ending
IIRC correctly, they were so checked out, working on potential future projects (that were also fucking terrible), that they had most of the work passed off to others?
Honestly though, I blame the author. GOT was great until they ran out of source material. Then you saw how terrible D&D really are at this. MF still hasn't finished the series. If you can't finish it, then don't fucking start it.
Maybe Sanderson can pick up the mantle for this one too.
Not to disagree on the topic but “if you can’t finnish it, don’t start it” is absolutely horrible advice when its about a creative art like writing.
If i am not wrong there is a whole writing style about just starting without knowing yourself where its going to end.
I highly dislike capitalism but i can see that once you have enough material to sell some of it, even if incomplete as a series. Many people would take the opportunity. I don’t know the authors economic background but for a starving artist with high potential that first book sales could be the push required to finish a series.
I blame capitalism, both for putting artists in this position and for the disrespect of big media towards their own content quality. Its always the money must flow, at every cost!
Even without capitalism I prefer having been able to read the existing books without an ending over not being able to read any of them. I can get some enjoyment from the journey even without a destination
If you have a problem with unfinished works, don't ingest them until they're finished. The artist doesn't owe you anything.
That's a wild take on writing lmao. If you're not sure the author will finish it, don't start reading it.
I think they meant don't start adapting an unfinished property. A certain transphobic author had issues because the studios really needed her to finish books 5, 6, and 7, so they could hit their schedule of 1 movie per year for 8 years.
Edit: based on replies from the original commenter it seems that your interpretation was correct.
They were fucking it up well before they ran out of source material. See: the confected drama of bran and Jon almost meeting North of the wall
Sanderson would be god awful at completing it and has specifically said he wouldn't.
Script was garbage but that did not happen.
It's deceptively worded, because it kinda happened (at least according to Clarke).
From https://ew.com/tv/2019/05/19/game-thrones-finale-interview-emilia-clarke/
"What, what, what, WHAT!?" the actress recalls thinking. "Because it comes out of f—king nowhere. I'm flabbergasted. Absolutely never saw that coming."
"I cried," Clarke says. "And I went for a walk. I walked out of the house and took my keys and phone and walked back with blisters on my feet. I didn't come back for five hours. I'm like, 'How am I going to do this?'"
She never says she dislikes the script and makes it clear that she found the story surprising and emotional. Which is true, the story is surprising (not in a good way, but it is surprising) and for her character it is full of emotion.
It was complete bullshit
I skipped it. I've even rewatched the other season, I simply refuse to watch the last.
That CANNOT be a real picture of them all group reading the script for the first time...
I don't know how actors contracts etc. work, so I am genuinely curious. Is refusing not an option for them? Surely most of these actors already have enough money...
It would be like walking out during a billion $ project that depends on you as a freelancer.
In a VERY small industry where everyone knows everyone, and there are thousands of applicants literally willing to suck dick to get hired.
It would also have penalties for breaking the contract which could be very high, plus if you tank a major production without good reason your career is probably over
They'd get sued most likely