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"We should be able to commit fraud" is a... bold stance
"We should be able to commit fraud" is ~~a... bold stance~~ the Republican party platform.
FTFY
With the way things are going, the court is probably going to rule in their favor.
The law allows union representatives to sue anyone for $6,250 if they can prove an individual falsely impersonated a union representative.
That is too small a fine.
There should also be an actual arrest and prison time.
It's fir each infraction and these conservative think ranks send out thousands of mailers pretending to be a union rep advising union employees and tricking them into exiting the union.
They even boast about it in their filing.
It sounds like a personal lawsuit, so astroturfing/pinkerton orgs will have a harder time finding people that go and do the work of union busting.
how the fact is impresonating anyone with intent to decieve legal?
if I call the elderly telling them in their insurers, is that legal?
if it's legal for police to impresonate unions, it should be legal for me to impresonate a cop.
it seems they're reiterating that fraud is fraud and that they can't rely on a specific defense.
I think if I tell you I am someone else, to con you to give me confidential information that should 100% count as fraud.
And if stealing an MP3 is a serious crime, stealing an organization confidential information should be way worse
there's a very important part of fraud law (i'm high and haven't done anything approaching practice in a decade so my wording is rough) that you must gain something for your actions to be fraud.
i think we may be thinking of different situations, for example when they call someone up, pretend to be the president of the union and tell them to vote a specific way, then they argue that didn't gain anything because they weren't the person they said to vote for even though they impersonated the president of the union for the purposes of misleading union members on the union's and/or the union president's politics. something like that was what i was thinking.