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A rare W for Europe (lemmygrad.ml)
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I have no idea if this is a true story, but i definitely hope it is. Unfortunately, as with most American cultural products, eventually Europe starts to import them (as we did with American culture war bullshit), and this toxic "hustle culture" is now slowly also becoming more normalized in some places in Europe, particularly in Germany. It's definitely not the norm as it is in the US, and for the time being we still have laws against it (though with Blackrock Merz in charge who knows for how long...), but i am seeing signs of it popping up more and more.

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 61 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This is the indirect effect of USSR existing. The longer it don't exist, the more hustle is smuggled.

[–] shath@hexbear.net 33 points 2 months ago

bring her back i feel like shit

[–] romaselli@lemmygrad.ml 55 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

This story looks very plausible to me. Dutch people's favorite pasttime is to smugly tell foreigners — especially non-euros — that the Netherlands is so much nicer than wherever they're from. And they're correct in a lot of technical aspects, save for their weather being shit, their food being shit and for them being literally the most boring people to be around that I've ever encountered.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

save for their weather being shit, their food being shit and for them being literally the most boring people to be around

Unfortunately true. The most interesting Dutch food is Indonesian. So-called "Hollandaise" sauce isn't even from Holland, it's from France. And even the cheese, which they are mildly famous for, is still better in Belgium. I mean Limburger is ok but Leerdammer, Edammer and Gouda are all incredibly bland and boring, quite possibly the most "standard" cheeses i can think of other than maybe Cheddar. Belgium also has better beer and cooler architecture, it's overall just a better version of the Netherlands (minus the fact that it includes the den of demons that is Brussels).

However, i will say this for the Dutch, on all three counts, weather, food and people, they still rank higher than the British.

[–] Azarova@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The most interesting Dutch food is Indonesian.

I had a recipe that called for so-called Holland peppers, which sounded wack so I looked it up and of course they were actually stolen from Indonesia.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yup. And the most interesting British food is curry. Funny how that goes. But i suppose you can't really fault them for it. On the whole, the further north a country is the more bland and boring their food is. Scandinavian food is also terrible. German food is passable but mainly because of southern Germany. Russia kind of straddles the line between Nordic style blandness and some more interesting and complex flavors, mostly thanks to the wonderful Slavic pickling culture and some southern influences from the Caucasus.

[–] xenautika@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

agreed. having freezing winters and a climate that many fruits and vegetables can't grow has not only inspired blandness in food, but general resentment and coveting of anything of taste and distinction. No wonder Europes history has been primarily of invasion, occupation and looting.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Let's not jump straight to blaming Europe's warmongering tendencies on climate. The Romans were pretty warmongering too and they came from a very mild climate where they have generally quite good food these days.

Though the demand for spices was an important part of the initial driving motivation of European colonialism it's not the full picture.

Food is one thing - it can be quite logically connected to climate and what you can grow where - but i think that applying this same geographic determinism to macro-historic trends is a bit too simplistic.

[–] xenautika@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 months ago

You are right, I waa being hyperbolic and leaning into some anti western sentiments i've heard. I should have considered examples like the Romans, as well as the Aztecs, who practiced conquering and slavery to expand their empire, also in mild climates.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bullshit, gouda is delicious

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Taste is totally subjective so you are absolutely entitled to that opinion. I will concede however that an aged Gouda can be decent.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Smoked

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Smoked is good too.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Hey now.

I mean you're right but hey now

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

You're an all-star

Get your game on, go play

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There's nobody more smug than a European liberal

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Isn't their food just a bunch of bread and cheese and fish? What's not to like about that?

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The bread, the cheese and the fish.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Disagree on all three counts

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Their food being shit is an understatement, peak dutch "cuisine" is chocolate sprinkles on untoasted toast. But the one good aspect behind global warming is that it'll solve this problem mostly.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

particularly in Germany

Mein hustle

Der hurstler

Hustlestaffel

Adolf Hustler

[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The vestiges of concessions afforded to Western proleteriat following the October revolution:

https://redsails.org/concessions/

Every westerner who privilege from their domestic welfare state and labour laws have the USSR to thank.

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Just saw @PolandIsAStateOfMind comment. I'll leave the comment here for Malone's awesome article.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 months ago

And now those laws and social safety nets are slowly being stripped away.

[–] MasterDeeLuke@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yep, I'm American and I feel bad for myself as well. I've head to deal with non-stop bullshit such as Temp agencies outright refusing to even tell you the place you will be working right up until they send you in. Expecting to get benefits anywhere is a joke, the health insurance "benefits" provided in the places I've worked were just regular insurance you have to massively pay out of pocket for like any other, yet they still present it as a benefit. I could on and on but yeah.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 15 points 2 months ago

My condolences.

[–] big_spoon@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

hustle culture wants to spread

one obstacle: evropa and syndicalism

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Luckily there are still some countries in Europe where hustle culture will have a really hard time catching on. I can't imagine Spain, Greece or southern Italy going for it. Even in most of the Balkans it's a tough sell, we're just not built that way, lol.