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Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism. Wouldn't it be better to let Taiwan democratically decide whether they want to be part of China or not?

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Isn't it just such a fucking coincidence you have all these assholes coming to the same conclusions at the same time?

Putin invaded Ukraine and would love to Hitler his way across Europe in the name of "unity."

Trump invades Venezuela, yet pretends to be an antiwar isolationist only taking necessary action to protect the U.S. from the flow of fentanyl (which has never been coming from Venezuela, but why let facts get in the way of a shitty narrative).

Now China will invade Taiwan and the U.S. will refuse to get involved because Trump is totally an "isolationist." (At least when it comes to other continents).

Yep. Totally a coincidence and not a shared strategy for a global fascist takeover by a new axis of evil.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 64 points 6 days ago (5 children)

China hasn't exerted any political authority over Taiwan in 80 years and Taiwan declared itself a separate nation long ago, supported by the will of the people of Taiwan. Anything else is the will of a conqueror.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I wonder how many people living in Taiwan were alive back when China controlled it. Probably 90% + of the population has never known anything but independent Taiwan

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 48 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Xi Jinping is an evil scumbag whose goal is to destabilize the world. China needs and deserves Taiwan just as little as Russia needs Crimea.

Taiwan's sovereign status should be ratified in UN asap.

[–] BattleGrown@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (19 children)

Unfortunately that won't happen unless Republic of China declares to become an independent state of Taiwan. In their current form, they claim to be the legitimate government of mainland People's Republic of China too. I think it's safe to assume that they won't get their lands back, but it is not up to me to advise govt affairs.

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[–] PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago (3 children)

China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing

Uhh, citation needed? Communism by name only does not a left wing country make

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[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 63 points 6 days ago

China is only nominally left; they're deeply conservative, and don't exactly empower the people. They are imperialist, as was the USSR.

And Taiwan did democratically decide what they want. It would be better if China also got to democratically decide what they want.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

WW3 all the imperialists are acting at once

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Does this mean Lai Ching-te is gonna to be the president of One China?

Leftists are normally anti-imperialism

You've apparently never spoken to a Marxist-Leninist though some would argue they are not Leftists.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

One sentence that fell during the Merkel phone spying affair:

Countries don't have friends, they only have interests.

Don't think of countries as people; people have morals and one direction they go. This to some of the comments here.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 29 points 6 days ago (2 children)
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[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Now is the perfect time for them to do it, I can see why! America may not even respond.

Yes, I know we are an ally and we're supposed to immediately go to war. So what? We promised to defend Ukraine from Russia, too. Look what happened.

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[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 17 points 6 days ago (8 children)

For the first time ever in my life, I see someone claiming that China is left-wing. Left and authoritarian are usually at the opposite spectrums.

[–] drapermache@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

That is what Animal Farm was talking about - that authoritarianism can take over any political ideology. It isn't a anti-communism book, but anti-authoritarianism.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

IMO china is making a mistake here. there's one way to poison yourself and that is to eat something that does not want to be eaten. and the same is the case here. china is a successful country and they could just call that a win and leave it at that. instead, they (think they) have to swallow taiwan, and they will poison themselves. they will get a lot of people into their country that do not want to become a part of china, and they will seek to destroy china from the inside, which is much easier to do than from the outside, and this could become a real danger to china. china should not seek to conquer taiwan against the will of its people.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

China has some really big domestic issues right now with record unemployment rates so naturally their drumming up nationalism to distract people. Though AI boom is carrying China through and I really hope they back down.

From what I see on Tiktok right now the propaganda machine is in full swing. Every video on Taiwan is spammed by bots saying "Taiwan is China". With Taiwan's opposition blocking defense budget it 100% seems like China will go through political offense first before invading.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

China will give Trump something to look the other way when they re-take Taiwan, and he'll do it. There will be a huge outcry from both sides, but he will order Hegseth to stand down, and since he's Commander-In-Chief, Hegseth will do it.

There might be an impeachment, but no conviction, and the American people don't know or care enough about Taiwan to want to go to war against China, and eventually it will blow over, and leave another black mark on Trump's legacy, which he won't care about because he got a plane, or a boat, or a pile of money, or permission to build a Trump Tower in Taiwan, or something.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

There is an expression in science that needs to be used more in polysci 'all models are wrong" The right wing vs left wing political spectrum is a model of political ideologies and a very simplistic one at that. It is also used interchangeably for fundamentally different political tenants. Large government-small government, authoritarian - libertarian, capitalist - socialist. Models are only as good as their ability to predict reality and they are always wrong, they are just simplified models of reality. The moment you are confused saying "but if this country is X-wing, why are they Y" You are either misunderstanding the model, misapplying the model, or are misunderstanding the actual value of a model.

[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The full expression is "all models are wrong, but some are useful"

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

it really sucks for the 90%+ of Taiwanese people who don't want to become part of China

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 17 points 6 days ago (13 children)

I hope the EU and nations in the Asian sphere decide to have a military alliance. Taiwan is pretty dang valuable, and also shouldn't be bullied for the sake of some strongman's wet dream.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This is a declaration of war IMO. By one old dude against the whole world order (the international laws).

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (10 children)

As the US has known for some time, the international order only applies to poor countries. Like a spiders web ensnares the fly but allows the pig to tear straight through

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 15 points 6 days ago

China and Taiwan are already at war. The Chinese civil war never had any truce, armistice, surrender, or anything. ROC pulled back to Taiwan, PRC didn't follow, and then it just stopped.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Frankly, a part of me suspects that whole AI RAM and SSD hoarding rush into "data centers" that aren't even plugged to a power plant is a manufactured market push to begin hoarding electronic components before China invades Taiwan. I suspect a lot of oligarchs would be less willing to feed the AI bubble if they didn't have a post-Taiwan invasion world to compensate their investments if it doesn't work out. You think there's scarcity now, just wait until the invasion happens. China invading Taiwan is going to make China lose a lot of support, one has to wonder what they think they will get out of it.

Taiwan would not have such a big target on its back if it weren't for TSMC. TSMC should have diversified throughout the world yesterday, but because of wealth and power, Taiwan has to pay the price. The politics and arguments are gaslighting; China isn't interested in Taiwan, they are interested in controlling the market necessary for even basic modern warfare - advanced microchips. I don't know if its due to the greed that they are blind to it or perhaps they are perfectly aware of it, but attacking Taiwan will be treated as an attack against the world by many countries. It will provoke a reaction several times worse than what Russia attacking Ukraine did. By driving down their viability as a trading partner, they will make a lot of countries consider other options that are way outside of the contemporary political landscape today.

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I'd be amazed if China didn't take advantage of the current inept and corrupt American government.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Pretty sure tawain ain't interested in being absorbed back by China.

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[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Well Russia was allowed to try imperialism, China can't resist being upstaged.

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[–] Renohren@lemmy.today 7 points 6 days ago

China isn't leftist.not even a bit.

[–] Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Chinese imperialists will stop at nothing to hurt working class people. Luckily Taiwan isnt intimidated by bullies.

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