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Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism. Wouldn't it be better to let Taiwan democratically decide whether they want to be part of China or not?

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[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well Russia was allowed to try imperialism, China can't resist being upstaged.

[–] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So was America with Hawaii and Puerto Rico.

Not to mention the 800 military bases in over 80 countries.

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, and it was a shit deal for the U.S. colonies, particularly still Puerto Rico which is governed without representation in the government.

It was shit when we did it, it was shit when the European powers did it, and it will be shit if China does it to Taiwan.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"No taxation without representation*"

*Only applies to the USA, not to its ~~colonies~~ "territories"

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

DC is also in the USA and is taxed without representation. But Puerto Rico is even worse consigned to second-class citizenship due to the Jones Act.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When you have to go back 132 years (Hawaii) and 128 years (Puerto Rico) to find a whataboutism you can throw back in a commenter's face - it's probably not very contributory to the conversation.

[–] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Don't talk about our crimes, let's focus on your crimes"

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Why bring up a failing empire like the states at all for a topic on China? Why do you think american exceptionalism needs to be a thing in any and all discussions? No one likes america when it americans all over the place, and the same goes for having to have the same whataboutisum conversation all the time.

China being an asshat on the world stage is not diminished by pointing at the united chuckle nuts of america and saying "but what about what theeeeey did".

[–] socsa@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Hawaiian natives voted to become a state seeking protection from various robber Barrons who were exploiting their land. Prior to that the US government generally took measures against the plantation owners at request of the locals. Yes, that imperialism kind of originated from the US, but it wasn't like an invasion and subjugation.

Puerto rico was ceded to the US after ot defeated Spain in the Spanish American war. It was quickly granted a form of pseudo independence, but then voted for protectorate status over full independence in the early 1900s.