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[–] d00ery@lemmy.world 3 points 58 minutes ago* (last edited 56 minutes ago) (1 children)

What about the Revolutionary War.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 51 minutes ago

The average American thinks we were all united against the obviously bad king.

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

We aren't more divided then ever, the divisions are just more visible. If you asked your average WASP in New England there opinion on Catholics a century ago they're liable to say way more vitriolic shit then a new england liberal talking about MAGA. It's just that guy from a century ago doesn't have a way to blast their nasty opinion on Catholics to everyone in the country.

Most people throughout history lived in racially, ethnically, ideologically and religiously homogeneous communities and thought everyone living outside that community was a barbarian, heretic, etc. it's just that they only talked to people in there community too so there opinions on the barbarians never left the community.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I mean… She’s taking the ambiguity in the original statement and using it to make a valid point about how the country has never healed the wounds of slavery, and the concepts of unity and division continue to play a significant role in racial oppression.

But also… In order to do it, she had to ignore the context of how the original statement tends to be used. Which is something like: “This information ecosystem pushes everyone to express a controversial opinion about every little thing, and willingly misread others’ words in the least charitable way possible in order to use them as fodder for establishing in-group status, and that leads to a political identity so far removed from the reality of lived experience that it can only exist as hot takes, memes, and clap-backs.”

And in that sense… Her words aren’t wrong, but her words also aren’t the actual message. The actual message is: “Any time someone complains that social media creates a hostile, divisive environment of one-upsmanship over phrases, you can one-up them with this phrase”.

Also: I am aware that I’m also trying to one-up a social media post on social media! It’s status games all the way down, as Andrew Potter points out in this interview on The Authenticity Hoax. Successfully contrasting against the prevailing culture is how the prevailing culture gets built. I just… hope we start to build a culture that’s more critical of the way the tech fascists abuse that cultural pump to their own benefit.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Anyone trying to normalize this shit seems like a bigger danger.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 hours ago

I mean the "freedom of speech" and "gun ownership" are deeply rooted in racism and slavery, simply by changing the terms to create an ambiguity of "freedom" but only when select people can afford that freedom.

Same goes for MAGA. It sounds perfect, because why would anyone be against making your country great, but in reality, It stands for bringing back racism.

USA is a representative of how the corrupt create malicious policies under innocuous messaging.

[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 15 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I kinda feel like that inhumanization/abject racism never went away though. Sure slavery and segregation were outlawed but some assholes found legal loopholes. On top of that, class warfare has been escalated by the owning class. They’ve found new ways of targeting other minority groups. Fuck, they brought back concentration camps. I respect the sentiment they’re going for here, though. Checking your biases and privilege t every step is a good way to live life in a society.

[–] testfactor@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

I mean, you're not necessarily incorrect, but I think it's a far cry from having whites only water fountains.

Like, yeah, systematic racism has huge implications that still affect millions of people, but to say that it's the same as when restaurants and stores were legally banning minorities from shopping at them is a bit intellectually dishonest.

The post isn't saying that there is no racism or division. It's saying that it's clearly not "the worst it's ever been."

[–] Toneswirly@beehaw.org 5 points 6 hours ago

Fuckin truth. Division is a feature of capitalism not a bug

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

This is pretty heartening. Between integration and the internet, I don't think we've ever been closer as a country/maybe world.

My tin foil hat theory is that this is the cause of the disinformation that's so endemic.

Of course one can't understate the danger and damage that is fueling division.