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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Neo Naz? Is that some deep-cut background Star Wars character?

[–] julianwgs@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago

NATO should make an official slogan of it and sell t-shirts

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm assuming that the original intent was that it's "non-negotiable" in the sense that it will never be allowed, but the term "non-negotiable" usually means the opposite, that it must happen....

So they're stupid?

[–] xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 hours ago

I think the original intent is "you are required to undergo gay marriage or else"

[–] Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 hours ago

The whole joke is that they can ban gay marriage in Russia. Literally nobody wants to stop them. Its when you dictate your rules on other sovereign states that theres backlash.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

*human rights.

No matter what you identify as or what your sexual preferences are!

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Least liberal European^

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I am sure you mean well but this has strong "All Lives Matter" vibes.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I dont think that discriminatory. For me it really is applying to everyone. The upholding of this is none negotiatable!

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

You'd be wrong. When a group targeted for genocide is talking about their rights, and you respond with vague and directionless calls for "human rights," you're just denying the existence of oppression that exists specifically for that group. "All lives matter" is a fascist talking point specifically because it weaponizes the reaffirmation of liberal sensibilities, also why it works on liberals.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago

Very fitting response.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago

Once I dreamed that there was a Japanese language book "Japanese is non-negotiable", and it was full of pro-NATO memes.

[–] mastertigurius@lemmy.world 87 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Wait, people have to censor the word Nazi now? How far down the drain of fuckedness has the US swirled? Has anyone read 1984? This is as close to newspeak as you could possibly get.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Its Twitter.

Its run by a Nazi.

And no, performative semi-censorship is not the closest thing to NewSpeak.

That would be probably be corpospeak, the art of using a lot of vague yet fancy terms to say basically nothing of any precise meaning.

Either that or what TikTok has done to psychology terminology, warping and misunderstanding so many phrases that we now have 'therapyspeak' as a similar set of vocabulary terms that have vague and undefined meanings, because so many people use them so innapropriately, so often, that they basically mean nothing in a general, non specialized context.

As an example: Trauma bond.

People seem to think this means that people who suffer together, grow a bond between each other, based in overcoming shared struggles due to / caused by external stressors.

That's not a trauma bond.

A trauma bond is more like when someone is consistently mistreated and abused by another person, that first person cannot really imagine life without that second person, without being oriented around them, so the idea of totally disconnecting from their abuser is itself existentially terrifying, and they thus paradoxically begin to defend the relationship with abuser.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't know, I don't think you can be a language prescriptivist like this, and it hasn't happened because of TikTok.

To your point, the Dawn Wall feat. Tommy Caldwell came out in 2017. Even back then the marriage between Tommy and his first wife was described as the result of a trauma bond due to a terrifying kidnapping situation they survived together.

It is fine to say, "Trauma Bond means X in a medical context" but if people use a word to mean something, the dictionary changes to reflect that.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I can be a language prescriptivist like this, and the increase in overuse and misuse of psychological terminology is very very significantly due to how it proliferates and warps on TikTok.

(Though of course this also occurs on other social media platforms, and bleeds over between them, and into other cultural spaces.)

(But, with TikTok specifically, we have academic studies showing that around half of the 'psychological advice' given on TikTok is significantly misleading, and a portion of that is found to be dangerously misleading, when evaluated for actual accuracy by actual psychologists. Its misinformation, definitionally.)

These are technical terms, and their broad overuse and misuse by lay people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about is a significant problem.

This is such a significant problem that many psychologists on TikTok and YouTube have videos calling out how much of a problem this is, how perverted psychology terminology is now at the point where it serves as a dialect by which narcissistic abusers can manipulate people and avoid responsibility and accountability.

I don't care that some particular story from some particular book may or may not have served as a a starting point for one of these terms to be misunderstood by laypeople, beyond an etymological sense of understanding the process by which this has occured for that particular term.

I care about the harm caused by the weaponization of language.

That a bunch of people are confused and wrong about something does not make them....valid in their misuse of words.

It makes them into psuedo-experts (where psuedo means basically 'false' or 'fake'), misusing technical terminology the same way that woo peddlers and scammers and con artists and grifters do.


NewSpeak is ultimately the concept of manipulating language such that certain previously thinkable concepts become unthinkable. In 1984, this is done in a deliberate, top down, mandated fashion.

What Orwell did not forsee (or at least, exemplify in 1984) was the nature of mass digital communications, the proliferation of basically absurd amounts of nonsense, as another means of making the communication of certain concepts very difficult.

TherapySpeak is extremely good at providing a toolset for social manipulators to criticize anyone who criticizes any of their actions or choices, of reframing themselves as either being reasonable and fair, or as themselves actually being the victim.

So, through a more complex process, it becomes much more difficult, much less socially acceptable for people who have been harmed by these kinds of manipulative people to express and describe that harm.

Orwell did not forsee that this could happen in a bottom up fashion... but its not truly a bottom up fashion.

Corporate social media uses algorithims that primarily optimize based amount the amount of rage that they cause, optimize based around the amount of controversy they cause.

Then, they crowd source the content.

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask.

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks

This functions as an insidious, warped way of manipulating all of culture such that it rewards self centered egomaniacs, and also strongly encourages the formation of literal cults.

Its a more complex way that a top down paradigm of media established by the powerful leads to the seemingly natural and unplanned growth/evolution of language...

... but its no more natural than the artificial selection of wheat or various dog breeds by humans over centuries and eons.

It just happens much faster, and seemingly unintentionally, from the standpoint of the crowd whose ideas are being selectively promoted or demoted by those who wrote and control the algorithms, the crowd that has forgotten that the water they are swimming in is an artificially constructed hyperreality, which is directed with intention by those who control it.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I agree with you about a lot of this, especially the dangers of non-expert psychology advice, but I disagree about "trauma bond" specifically, and about language prescriptivism in general.

[–] nathanjent@programming.dev 4 points 18 hours ago

I equated it to newspeak since the first day I heard about twitter. It's gotten closer and closer to the rest of the narrative from the book since.

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

No, but people in the W*ite Hous might be upset

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 points 13 hours ago

W*ite Hous

Did you mean "Weite Haus"?

[–] Klear@quokk.au 4 points 21 hours ago

In some parts of the world it's considered a slur against fucking fascist shitheads.

[–] Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

We are so far down that drain we can’t see light anymore.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 5 points 23 hours ago

We all float down here

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

No, they don't have to. But brain rot rots brains... And people nowadays have to suffer through so much worse ('unalive', 'grape' or 'pdfiles' anyone) on social media that it definitely causes damage.

[–] clot27@lemmy.zip -3 points 7 hours ago

Liberals often use similar imagery as excuse to bomb middle east/third world. Got it

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 59 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Every day nazis and religious fascists make their opponents seem cooler than they really are. Nato is nowhere near this based.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Nato is nowhere near this based.

Yes it is. I mean not Nato itself, but its member states are, for the most part.

[–] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 21 points 21 hours ago

It isn't, but it could be.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

DEATH IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO HETERONORMATIVITY

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 18 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Ok now you have me thinking of a drag liberty prime.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 10 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Voice module online.

Audio functionality test... initialized.

Designation: LGBT Prime. Mission: the Liberation of The Gays.

...Obstruction detected. Composition: Pinheaded bigot supplemented by authoritarian propaganda.

Revised stratagem: Initiate photonic resonance overcharge. Probability of mission hindrance: zero percent.

[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Bro, there might be Americans around

I'm scared. I think they might be me.

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 9 points 23 hours ago

Bahahahahaha, rare botfarm W

[–] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 23 hours ago

I remember seeing this on those nato music video style stuff - popular around 21, I dont think it was meant as a mockery then