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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 hours ago

... They're like the opposite of doing nothing.

MSFT in particular has been essentially utterly out manuevered by Valve and their developements.

Its... its actually rumored (by Moore's Law Is Dead) that the specific weird custom chip the Steam Machine is using...

... was originally going to be used in something like like a planned Surface Super Duper Pro tablet.

But MSFT cancelled it.

After AMD had already made a bunch of the chips.

... And... then Valve comes along, figures out how to build a PC/Console out of MSFT's abandoned scraps, which also functionally hammers the final nail into the coffin of Xbox as an actual hardware device.

Valve beat MSFT at large segments of literally their own game.

Proton and Vulkan, both largely funded by Valve, flipped the fucking game table into another dimension, but MSFT did not notice untill it was beyond too late.

... Thinking with portals, you might say.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 27 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This is what you can accomplish when you don't have shareholders forcing you to be an idiot.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Private companies are perfectly capable of self sabotage through growth drivers without shareholders unfortunately...

Execs chasing bonuses and chasing w/e 3rd party "consultancy groups" say they need to do.

[–] angband@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Look, failing at selling video games people want to buy, is like failing at selling porn, or running a casino full of machines that tabulate a set amount of winnings before giving back a predetermined amount.

Doing nothing is sometimes the smartest way to make money.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

But what if I want to confirm I am rich for being smart and thinking out the box instead of having rich parents and exploiting people like half of those poors think I am?

[–] angband@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Well they apparently have people you can pay to whisper such in your ear.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Remember, you are mortal.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 19 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Playstation isn't lazy. They happily shoot themselves in the foot every other week. For every 1 good thing Sony does with the brand, they do 3 or 4 fucked up things.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 25 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Fostering developers to go ham on windows to Linux comparability and now the same for X86/64 to ARM is much more than nothing. Valve have actually been the ones doing the most to pave the way for theirs and anyone who follows' future.

I'm not too jazzed about their virtual monopoly but that's sadly because they've just been working for consumers in more ways than the others. They're not the best at everything like GOG trumps then when it comes to actual ownership but it's sum of all of their parts that puts them head and shoulders above the rest.

They've done so much that they've paved the way for non gamers to be able to switch over to Linux much easier (I wouldn't say it's all on them but they've helped foster cross compatible development on Linux in general). I don't think you could say the others have done as much to affect the space outside of gaming as valve either. Except Microsoft, but their decisions have been much more controversial.

I hate to see myself glazing valve as much as I have here but it is what it is. I'll criticise them when the context allows and praise them like this in other times.

[–] Xenny@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

Stop giving credence to valve being a monopoly. That's tech bro propaganda. They are literally not a monopoly. There is multiple digital storefronts for PC gaming. There is options. There is choice. Do not further the narrative and get fucking valve antitrusted for no goddamn reason other than Microsoft wants them dead.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I would go further and say that all that they've done are """merely""" sound elements in a strategy to avoid that in the era of always-online remote updateable software, Microsoft successfully uses their position as the provider (and, more importantly, controller of some of what runs in pretty much all consumer instances) of Windows to squeeze out Steam as a games store.

Microsoft slowly transforming for Windows applications into the equivalent of Apple for iOS applications (and their move towards signed applications could be part of that) would be a nightmare scenario for Steam and it's a realistic possibility, especially if you notice that Microsoft is moving towards "everything must be cryptographically signed by Microsoft" to run in Windows.

So it totally makes strategical sense for Steam to invest into getting as many gamers as possible away from the Windows ecosystem, and one path is to get more games to as easily as possible run in the already existing and established alternative to Windows - Linux - the easiest way being to invest in an ever improved Windows-Linux adaptor layer (i.e. Wine/Proton) backed by a Steam store in Linux which just seamlessly uses that layer when needed, whilst another path is to sell their own game machines which do not run Windows and there again using Linux makes sense as the OS, both because it already exists and is mature and because using it on their machines has synergies with their investment in the "make games targeting Windows seamlessly run on Linux without needing changes".

This isn't Valve and Steam being nice guys doing nice things because they love their customers who use Linux, it's just good long term business planning and management of maybe their greatest external risk - Microsoft.

I mean, "Yay for choosing Linux!" and "Respect for their business sense", but lets not deceive ourselves into thinking they're good guys because of doing what just makes sense strategically to manage Microsoft as a risk.

[–] Zoabrown@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago

They ship one thing every decade and it somehow changes the whole industry.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 16 hours ago (12 children)

look, im very grateful for valve employee’s work on proton (& other technologies), and i recognize that out of the major gaming companies, valve is one of the least bad…

but they’re still a corporation. they’re still unethical. they popularized gambling mechanics and they basically have a monopoly on PC gaming distribution.

don’t worship companies. they don’t care about you. need i remind you, in the late 2000s/early 2010s, nintendo was the good guy. just making good games and innovating, while everyone else was busy making yearly slop, day one DLCs, paid online, microtransactions, broken games on release… and now, look at them.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Valve is worker-run and largely worker owned, it's literally 350 people who just work on whatever they think is a good idea

They're technically a corporation, but also an amazing argument for collective ownership

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[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 26 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

what were you smoking? nintendo has never been the good guy...they successfully patented the "digital representation of water" back in the day

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

As I wrote elsewhere, their support for Windows-Linux adapter technologies and even their games machines with Linux, are things which make total business sense as part of a strategy to try and move gamers away from Windows to manage the risk that Microsoft might use their control of Windows and ability to remotely update pretty much all consumer Window machines, to squeeze Steam as a games store for Windows games, for example via enforcing a requirement for Microsoft-signed applications and even a for usage of a Microsoft-store (no doubt justified as a consumer protection measure) like Apple does with iOS.

Steam isn't doing this because they're "nice guys", they're doing this because they're managed by competent managers with an outlook which is much longer term than the typical "next quarter" of publicly traded company and if you're looking at a 5 or 10 years period Microsoft doing this kind of thing is a real risk.

This doesn't mean that they're bad guys, it just means that from their support for gaming in Linux alone we cannot deduce that they're good guys since being managed by competent people who are trying to manage the risk of Microsoft turning Windows into what iOS is for Apple is an equally good explanation (probably an even better explanation, since "good guy" actions in business is a rare exception) for their support for Linux.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

they popularized gambling mechanics

Probably their biggest sin. Gab's mega-yacht was paid for with neurodivergent teenagers sucked into anime-themed slot machines.

That's before you get into how modern online gaming has become this nightmare of bigotry and misogyny. Not a Valve specific problem, but one they've turned a blind eye to in the name of laissez-faire business.

need i remind you, in the late 2000s/early 2010s, nintendo was the good guy.

Well... tap the brakes there. Nintendo had a very different business model, but their Disney-eque sadistic defense of IP was its own kind of problem.

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[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago
[–] commander@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

Other companies running game stores/platforms must think like this which is why their stores end up competing with a 2008 Steam. Does nothing is incredibly incorrect

[–] flamiera@kbin.melroy.org 33 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

It's going to be a very, very interesting series of events once Gabe passes away.

Enjoy him while we're able.

[–] GaryGhost@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That scares me. I've been a huge steam fan boy since it was in beta. Lots of nostalgia. When the OGs pass away and valve is sold off to Amazon.. the end

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[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 9 hours ago

The next ZX Spectrum is going to be awesome...

[–] yyyesss@lemmy.world 19 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

i guess i'm the only one excited as hell to buy a steam machine.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

A few years ago? I would have said "oh that's near for laypeople, but I am better off building my own PC".

With the prices of GPU's, RAM, and SSD's.... The Steam Machine might legit be a better value than building it myself.

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I am not gonna buy it. But fuck man, I am exited as hell for what is going to happen with PC gaming and OSes. I feel that thanks to Valve we going to finally break MS' iron grip on OS market.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Same here.

Whilst I don't necessarily think Steam are doing it because of being good guys (I just think it makes good business sense for them to move gamers away from Windows), that doesn't mater for the outcomes for gamers, what maters is that what they're doing helps us all out to escape the ever tightening clutches of Microsoft which nowadays is basically an Evil Tech Corp.

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[–] RunJun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 191 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Made large contributions to Linux gaming compatibility

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