You see, everyone in there is surprised because it happens in Australia, not USA.
Everyone is surprised because it happens there SO RARELY, because of strict firearm rules.
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Watch the guy who disarmed one of the shooters
Real fucking hero. He was shot twice during the scuffle and was in surgery expected to survive.
His name is Ahmed al Ahmed. Found the footage of his relative being interviewed and he is named. Saw it early in Aussie news, can’t remember if it was 9 News or ABC (Australia Broadcasting)
Edit: updated link
Can't believe the guts that must have taken. Absolute legend.
What no one seems to be asking is the obvious question: how the fuck did these attackers get hold of guns? This is Australia folks not fucking America. We have laws to stop exactly this. How, where and by whom were they circumvented? More importantly: how can we prevent this from happening again?
Hunting with firearms is not illegal in Australia. They are relatively common in rural areas, they have their use. All you need is someone stealing guns one way or another and then smuggling them to the city. It's not like the police will stop you to rummage through your belongings... unless you drive like an absolute reckless imbecile.
I don't think you can prevent this from happening again. You can definitely take measures to make it more difficult to happen again, ie. police cordoning an area where there is a religious gathering. But there is always a way. You can't control everything. When it's not guns it's a car driving over people or explosives or poisoning or whatever.
You can get semi automatic hunting weapons relatively easily, same as in New Zealand.
The problem is, there's enough people with a legitimate use case of firearms that banning them completely isn't possible.
A cat C license (self loading) is a lot more difficult to get than a cat A,B licence. So far this has worked, no semi auto terrorist attacks since Port Arthur. Thank fuck these guys did not have semi auto weapons.
I honestly wouldn't have much issue with them removing the cat C licence, effectively banning semi auto outside of military use. But it certainly has some legitimate use cases in feral animal control.
A pump shotgun is far more reliable than a semi-auto. Want to kill a bunch of people? I'd never trust a semi. Bring the pump.
Hell, for that matter I might pick one of my single shots. Takes less practice than a pump, cannot fail to send lead down range. I know that's all counterintuitive. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast, as they say. :)
SOURCE: Own 12 shotguns of all ages and sorts.
Yeah no shit mate. That's why pump shotguns are also under a cat C licence here. The legislators weren't stupid, they basically categorised things on fire rate and public danger.
The Adler lever actions are very questionable in my opinion. They are almost as fast. Though the one I tried would jam all the time. Lever actions like that weren't a common thing in the 90's so it slipped by for a while.
And saying that a bolt action is potentially worse than a semi auto is some full on American bulshit. Sure things can jam and go wrong, but in the worst case situation with aresholes like this firing into a dense crowd where aim doesn't really matter, faster shooting is more casualties.
The legislators weren't stupid
Sorry maybe I'm giving away my country of origin but this part here is really hard for me to wrap my head around. I have no prior experience with this concept to relate to. Please be patient with me. 🤔
Haha. We have plenty of moron politicians. But typically all our legislation is usually written by public servants with expert advice and lawyers, and even they get it wrong sometimes. The politicians direct what they want, but most of them have never written a law. I assumed it worked this way in most places.
Got two vintage bolt-action shotguns. Both suck, but they weren't that great to begin with. Been wanting a lever action! Seems that would be about as fast as a pump? Never touched one. LOL, never seen one IRL.
I didn't say a bolt-action was potentially worse? I did say that a pump is mostly better than a semi. I did say a single-shot is potentially worse than all of the above.
I know that doesn't make sense, very counter intuitive. But I have never, not once, had a single-shot fail unless the load itself failed, and I have some truly shitty single-shots. I should add the caveat that the single-shot needs to eject the spent shell, or you're really going to be slow.
Hard to explain unless one has the experience. With a single-shot you get into a rhythm; aim, fire, break, reload, fire, aim, fire, break, reload, fire. It's easy to spaz out with a semi and loose all your ammo. When your shots are limited, you take the extra split second to aim, make it count.
Or, consider this, if we're talking about mass causalities; what about reloading? There are techniques like "violin reloading", or "combat loading" singles, that go fast, but take serious and continuous practice. If we were both challenged to send 10 shots downrange, on target, bet I could do better with a single shot. First 5? Ya got me, assuming you didn't spaz out and spray lead all around. 10? I never stopped or hesitated, and I had the extra second to consider the situation and aim.
Anyway, if you ever make it to Florida, hunt me down and we'll go to my little camp in the swamp. Have a friendly shoot!
All good mate, I mostly just try and stop the spread of misinformation on Aus gun laws. Most people don't know much about them.
The leaver actions are fast. The main difference is that you can leave your finger on the trigger for a pump and are meant to take it off for the leaver action, though you could do it with your non trigger hand. People are also buying left handed bolt action shotguns to get around this, though it's more awkward. All our shotguns have a capacity limit, usually 5 or less. It looks like these guys modified their barrel mags to hold more.
You're not wrong about wasted ammo, reliability and reload speed, but you have to think about the worst case scenarios. Situation: close range, large dense crowd, shooter with an unreasonable amount of ammunition, and best luck in the world with no jams or reliability issues. That's the formula for mass casualties. This is what our laws are effective at protecting against, primarily by limiting the rate of fire.
This is the exact question i asked my spouse when told it was in Australia. I was under the impression that their gun laws are fairly strict?
Their gun laws are strict, compared to America. But the notion that Europeans and other first-world citizens can't have guns is far from the truth. Hell, some laws are looser. Most (all?) Europeans can buy a suppressor, and I gather those are mandated in some places, or at least you're frowned upon for not having one.
One of my favorite GunTubers was visiting and interviewing in a central European gun shop (forget the country, sorry) and I was like, "Well, shit. They can buy about anything we can buy!"
America doesn't have a gun problem. America has a culture problem. I could tell you a dozen stories of idiot Americans not understanding the laws we already have. Many of those idiots are dead or in prison.
They immediately labeled it a terrorist attack. In the US this would've been called Tuesday.
When was the last time Australia had a mass shooting before this?
No we'd call it a terrorist attack because the shooters are arab. Have you been paying attention the past 24 years?
Around 30 years ago in Port Arthur. I think 40 people were killed that day. It triggered our national strict gun laws, although they're continually being watered down since we've been experiencing more gun violence in the last decade.
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At least 11 people were killed in a shooting targeting the Jewish community at Australia’s famous Bondi Beach, and 29 people were taken to the hospital.
A man believed to be one of the shooters has been killed, New South Wales Police said. The second alleged shooter is in a critical condition.
It was an organized Hanukkah event at the beach.
Awful, just awful :(
I hate Australian Nazis.
One of the men was named Naveed Akram, so take of that what you will.
Am thinking this was a bit less Wehrmacht related and a bit more Gaza..
..but yeah.. obligatory fuck NAZIs just so no one misunderstands my point.
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