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[โ€“] Kjell@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why wouldn't the Chinese companies start to produce these E cars? And if the Chinese produces the E car and sell it in Europe, how will it help the local manufacturing? And I'm not sure the estimated 10 - 20 % lower cost will be enough since the car will be very limited.

[โ€“] SrMono@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The already have ๐Ÿ˜‚

I have seen (youtube) an electric car the size of an Toyota IQ. Price tag 4.000-7.000โ‚ฌ except for the European market 12.000-15.000โ‚ฌ (because of the regultions, I guess).

Video in German: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGz1ofi70_I

https://wulingcars.com/wuling-mini-ev/

[โ€“] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

China subsidises EV manufacturers directly so EU uses tariffs to bring things to a level playing field. Many EU countries have subsidies for EV buyers which is better because that allows you to buy European, Chinese, Japapnese... Whatever you want, all with the same discount.

[โ€“] SrMono@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No secrets there. If the weight of the Chinese government backs your production you can go as cheap as you need it to sting your competitors.

The next schema is, that Chinese companies produce in the EU. There are some contracts and joint ventures on the way, but all in all the EV market race can simply no be leveled even, no matter the wild and holistic regulatory activism.

[โ€“] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

New cars, even small ones, have become very expensive, and one reason for that is the mandatory safety equipment that has to be legally sold in the European Union. But the EU wants to change that for city cars, creating a new class of vehicles that will have less safety gear on them, specifically to bring down their acquisition price.

Brilliant idea to skimp on the fucking security features

eh, you don't need motorway speed crash safety if it can't go on the motorway. there's probably some room there.

[โ€“] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

What I wouldn't give for a very simple, reliable, non DRM right to repair electric car where you could test, regroup and swap individual cells when they fail.

No abs. No traction assist. No lane assist etc... No tech beyond heat/AC and a FM radio, cruise control and intermittent wipers.

Edit: Airbags are cool too.

[โ€“] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Why no ABS? It's not rocket science.

[โ€“] rayyy@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago

Who thinks a FM radio is more important than ABS?

[โ€“] Akasazh@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago

I agree on almost everything but the abs bit. Like seatbelts and airbags they should not be necessary, could everyone be trusted to drive perfectly.

But you see, other people that are not, like yourself, perfect drivers do drive in those cars. Hell, they might even drive your car if you're in a temporary state of not-perfect-driveryness.

It's comparable to mouth masks is not about keeping the perfect safe, but to protect the imperfectly healthy (and thereby everybody).

[โ€“] Flyberius@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

Lol. They think they can compete by lowering their standards but presumably charging the same as Chinese ev makers

[โ€“] Pistcow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Cherry@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago

Has to be made somewhere. Europe could do it but greed and CEO ego ainโ€™t gonna let that happen.

[โ€“] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

By the time they deliver they will he even more technologically outclassed.