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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/40055131

OG title: We need to talk... about the Proton ecosystem

Ecosystem is a trap. It lures you in with the promise of convenience, only to lock you inside a walled garden. Like Google and Apple. They start with a good product, but then force you to use the whole suite to get the full experience. This is dangerous.

Ecosystems are concentrating all of your data and your digital life in the hands of a single entity. An entity that grows so large and powerful that it will start making compromises against your rights only to find more ways to profit or protect their business. The larger the ecosystem, the bigger data harvester it becomes. It becomes a bigger target for hackers and the more products it offers the more data it has to give to the surveillance state.

We know that the big tech does this, because their only moral value is the shareholder value. [4] But when a private company starts quacking like a duck in the steps of the big tech, it should worry us the same way. That company is Proton. The maker of the most renowned privacy products that have always been meant as ethical alternatives to the big tech.

Today, Proton resembles more and more the ecosystems of Google and Apple than it does its noble origins of fighting the big tech. This is a problem. It’s a problem for your privacy and it’s a problem for the whole community. But you probably never of heard of this perspective, because none of this is talked about enough. There is a reason for this.

You see, most content on Proton you’ll find, is coming from sources that are sponsored or affiliated with Proton. And I know how lucrative Proton’s deals are, because Proton even tried to pay me. Of course, I refused their offer, because taking their money would incentivize me not to recommend against Proton products. I am uniquely positioned to give you a nuanced critique of Proton and how to solve this problem.


Some good points to be said. I find the overall argument a bit weak as it is mainly one of user erorr of sorts. Btw THO has some pretty good back log of videos on privacy; check out their stuff on burners phones and anonymizing yourself at a protest.

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[–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Mozilla Thunderbird is about to launch Thundermail, which looks like it will be more open (no bridge to use in email clients), include a free tier eventually, and of course is owned by a nonprofit unlike Proton.

[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Who has access to my emails at rest in Thundermail?

[–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Similar to Proton & Tuta, they're storing it encrypted at rest. However you really only have full encryption at rest if the sender encrypts their email with your PGP Key or S/MIME Certificate. There's nothing stopping Proton or any other provider from making a copy of every email not sent using this as it arrives or sends.

[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Where do they state that they're storing it encrypted at rest (in a way that they don't have access to)? I've found very little technical detail on the service.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I heard about it, seems interesting.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Some good points to be said. I find the overall argument a bit weak as it is mainly one of user erorr

Thematically adequate typo!

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Still shouldn't all glom onto one company; makes it too juicy a target for repression .