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[-] NotBillMurray@lemmy.world 127 points 7 months ago

This it the bottom so far you mean.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago

Next bottom is whether the infants are conspirators or not.

[-] spamfajitas@lemmy.world 82 points 7 months ago

Even better, infant body armor

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 26 points 7 months ago

How did you get hold of Hamas training materiel?

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 87 points 7 months ago

Judging from the comments, we can go lower.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

"Truly this is the bottom"

Conservatives everywhere brandishing shovels: "Challenge accepted"

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[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 63 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's like everyone's opinion is "my tribe is always right and deserves all the sympathy, the other tribe is always wrong and deserves all the suffering". No one cares about solutions or examining why a conflict has persisted for 80 years. Humans are so predictable.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 29 points 7 months ago

It's not even "my tribe".

Hardly anyone posting here is Israeli or Palestinian. It's just distracting nonsense to divide us. Pick a side plebs. Look, those people have picked the other side. Hate them!

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[-] an_onanist@lemmy.world 55 points 7 months ago

And if it turns out that the accusation Hamas was using the basement as a command post is true, is that the new bottom?

[-] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 140 points 7 months ago

Using the hospital for anything other than helping people is a bottom. They are both trash entities.

[-] devz0r@kbin.social 49 points 7 months ago

And fun fact: bombing/attacking a hospital is not a war crime per the Geneva Conventions Article 52, if it is being used as a military objective.

[-] Makfreeman@lemmy.world 37 points 7 months ago

Might be a fun fact but it is not correct. Article 52 of the fourth convention is not related to hospitals. Article 52 of the 1st additional protocol is related to hospitals and it does not mean what you are saying it does. Geneva conventions do not define war crimes, that definition is given in the ICC Rome statutes.

[-] devz0r@kbin.social 42 points 7 months ago

Fair enough. The ICC Rome Statute specifically refers to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949. But per the ICC Rome statute on war crimes, Article 8, Section 2, Subsection (b), Clause (ix), the following is a war crime: "Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected,provided they are not military objectives;"

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[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 27 points 7 months ago

I mean, that makes a certain degree of sense, because if using protected places as a place to put one's military operations doesn't remove that protection, then it would become a common strategy to intentionally use vulnerable civilians as shields in that manner, and since no military is realistically going to just let their opponent attack them without a response when capable of delivering one, such a scenario would just lead to the whole idea of places like hospitals being protected being abandoned.

[-] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

That's exactly what Hamas does. No better than Al-Qaida.

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[-] yukichigai@kbin.social 31 points 7 months ago

I mean what's worse: using a human shield, or deciding "nah fuck them kids shoot through them anyway."

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 45 points 7 months ago

What if they were shooting your kids while hiding behind their own? Would you let them keep doing it while insisting that reprisals are off limits?

[-] rosymind@leminal.space 52 points 7 months ago

Yeah, this is the problem I'm having with people picking sides. It's a giant crap-pile of the worst of humanity. People act like there's a good side. Nah, everything's a mess of generational hatred and I hate it all.

There needs to be a cease-fire. Hamas needs to release all hostages and then be permanently removed from power in Gaza, and Israel needs to help the Palestinians rebuild what has been destroyed, burry their dead with dignity and respect, and heavily compensate the families of those who have died.

The whole thing is out of control

[-] stewsters@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

There was a ceasefire, then Hamas attacked. Hard to rebuild trust after that.

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[-] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

Still not a good reason to kill babies...

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[-] foggianism@lemmy.world 50 points 7 months ago

Demanding an evacuation of a hospital full of patients, under the threat of bombardment, only for those patients to die of complications for not being treated, this is just a more silent mass murder.

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[-] spirinolas@lemmy.world 47 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

To people saying it's justified because Hamas are hiding there, if Hamas wants to kill as many Israelis as possible they could hide in a Israeli hospital and the IDF, being consistent, would bomb it just the same since it now became a military target. Right?

Yeah, you know they wouldn't, not the same way at least. Somehow Palestinians are an acceptable collateral while Israeli, specially Jews, would never be. That's how you know this isn't about Hamas.

[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

Very good point! I will steal it and pretend I'm as smart as you

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[-] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 46 points 7 months ago

That's because apparently someone decided, without discussion, that setting military headquarters in a hospital - where babies are born - is absolutely fine and moral move.

[-] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 33 points 7 months ago

Killing a building full of women and children to go after a group of people who may or may not be in said building after they killed women and children...

Two unscrupulous groups are willing to murder innocent civilians. Sounds like two groups of terrorists.

Fuck Hammas, fuck the IDF. I'm absolutely fine with them killing each other. I'm not okay with the fact that they're both using innocent civilians as pawns.

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[-] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 32 points 7 months ago

He said, believing the IOF, who has killed Palestinians with absolute impunity, and lying through the teeth about it

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[-] neeshie@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

Has there even been any evidence of that?

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[-] Restaldt@lemmy.world 43 points 7 months ago
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[-] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

Do people think Hamas wouldn't hide in a hospital? Theyve proved many times civilians aren't a concern

[-] Kalkaline@leminal.space 80 points 7 months ago

Do people think that there can't be two bad guys in a story? This isn't a good vs evil fight.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 36 points 7 months ago

"Good guys" are a myth invented by Hollywood to sell action figures

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[-] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

So, that justifies killing civilians?

[-] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 26 points 7 months ago

no, that justifies invading a hospital

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