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It's not necessary, since then it would not be a jury of his peers.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The whole jury would have to be made up of CEOs to achieve that. Any lawyer, even the worst one, could argue that they aren't his peers making the selection invalid.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Here’s a question: how many people making more than $200,000/year or who are independently wealthy actually serve on a jury?

I ask this because every jury pool I’ve been in was made up of working class people. Those too poor don’t vote and so aren’t on their lists, and those too rich always seem to have acceptable reasons to be excused, if they’re ever pooled in the first place.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

it was actually reverse here in the west, recently i sat in a jury pool, they chose mostly the 100-200k+/year people(mostly tech), they knew they had the most FREE TIME. the ones that dint have actual potential biases or a language barrier, like being a lawyer from germany, knowing law enforcement or dealt with them, or somehting similar to the defendant. there was sjw antifa type, but they really wanted to keep her in the juror pool.

they excused most of the older people 50+yo.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

they just need some boomers or a rich jurors to achieve the same thing as a jury pool for ceos would.

they also would need to find 3-6 alternate jurors too, so its actually 18 jurors, just in case 1 of the 12 is too biased. i sat in vore dire in sept for juror selection, there was initially 100-200ppl before vore dire, they managed to reduce it o less than 60 by the next day, and then half that after that. they will spend 1 or several days of questioning each potential juror(it takes the whole day).

In a high profile case like this, vore dire would likely go on for more than a week, if not longer.

and most people around me are into tech so high income earners(only a few of us are not that well off), they know which ones will be okay to be in the juror(you guessed it the tech people).

theres a probably they will choose older people 55+ but not too old like 70, since htey are automatically excused from jury duty. more than likely they will seek out someone that hadnt watched the news or asking if they see murder as a prosecutable crime without mentioned luigi murder situation.

[–] rami@ani.social 0 points 1 week ago

So if you're in tech and spell that poorly are you purposefully avoiding autocorrect/spell check? No shade, I'm legitimately about to have an aneurysm reading some of your comments.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Feasible

The number of people who think that healthcare in the USA is just about perfect is evidently quite high - or the situation would change. So, it probably is easier than you think. There’s a lot of healthy people out there.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

healthy

* not sick yet

Everybody gets sick evtl. and if health care isn't available chances are it won't get better or it'll leave permanent marks.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I have a friend with lupus who votes Trump. She is very, very ill and will be bankrupt soon.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Very good point.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Actually, even if you go national, very few people like our system (something like 20% iirc?). And in NY? Fat chance.

You've got Citizens United, so both parties are pretty much in the pockets of insurance. They'll just ignore that desire until more Luigis show up.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago

That’s also an outlook that needs to change. The billionaires want to keep you just happy enough and just nihilistic enough that you don’t revolt.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

feasebal

Well, that's a new one

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] oeuf@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 week ago

Feasebal is my new favourite word.

Thank you fine sir.

Yeah just get non-Americans.

[–] ryrybang@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think that would be a hard requirement. If somebody can explain how they will be fair despite a negative experience with an insurance company and the prosecution is okay with it, then they can serve.

[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Prosecution will strike them. Next.

[–] ryrybang@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's often not that simple or easy, especially if someone explains they can still be impartial. The judge and defense are involved too, the prosecution doesn't always get what they want.

[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Peremptory challenge, no reason needed. It's one of the six I get for the case. Next.

[–] ryrybang@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Seems like you got it all figured out then.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They managed to find enough people who didn't already realise that trump is a lying, cheating pile of shit whip doesn't have an honest bone in his body for his trial.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

trump also was making death threats, through his magats against the jurors too.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, people who haven't had insurance or people who have it but don't use it because they don't know they can.

[–] groet@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

Both of those are screwed over by the healthcare system and the companies perpetrating it. If you cant afford healthcare or don't understand it because it is to convoluted, that is a result of the policies of healthcare providers.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This implies that he's actually guilty. Murder with a good reason is still murder for non-cops and non-soldiers. I think it might even be detrimental to have the jury think he had a good motive.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago

You don't have not-have an opinion on the US healthcare system, you just have to claim that your opinion on the healthcare system won't affect your ability to reach an impartial verdict.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm sure in your bubble there's a lot of people that would let him go just to make a point but general public is very stupid and easily manipulated. They will easily find 12 people that will "fulfill their duty" and make sure "justice was served". It's very unlikely that 1 person believing in jury nullification will slip through and derail it by causing miss trail, let alone 12 that will unanimously vote "not guilty".

[–] sopularity_fax@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Isnt it conviction require everyone agree? It would be weird and sorta bakwards to require that

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

thats a well known fact, they want someone that is a pushover. if dont answer questions or quiet you will likely be selected as a juror, so make sure if your not wanting to serve start talking like alot. they will also try to keep you in as long as possible to seek out biases, if your faking it(it might backfire on you and they might choose you).

i was in vore dire recently and thats what they did with a Sjw ACTIVIST, they kept her in the 12 selected/ 3-6 alternates like for 3 days just because they think she was trying to get out of serving.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Having health insurance tied to employment is inherently screwing people, so probably not.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

From Lemmy or your chronically online bubble? No, you can't.

In reality? Sure, absolutely.

They'll get Bill, the 67 year old boat repair man, who spends his free time drinking beer and fishing and still doesn't really get the whole Internet thing.

They'll get Maria, the 38 year old administrative assistant who's only form of media engagement is watching reruns of The Office.

They'll get Cadence, the 22 year old intern at her family owned business, who dreams of being a Trad wife and has always had her health insurance taken care of by others.

They'll have Mike, the 32 year old influencer bro, who is all about that grind lifestyle and makes videos on how to invest for his 15k followers.

They'll get Kathrine, the 72 year old church volunteer who only hangs out with her church friends, watches no TV, and has been living comfortably off her widow benefits for the last 10 years.

None of these people have been following the Luigi saga. Some don't even know his name. Some firmly believe things haven't really changed much in the last 30 years and have zero clue as to the struggles people face today.

[–] not_me@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Verdict ,not guilty