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[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 29 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Before even following the link... #doubt

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

They’re seeing gamma rays from suspected dark matter collisions—that’s actually more substantially accurate than I was expecting.

[–] towerful@programming.dev 23 points 4 months ago

To clarify, that's the collision of 2 dark matter particles.
Not the collision of a dark matter particle and something else.

researchers report that they have detected the invisible scaffolding based on gamma rays that result from the collision and resulting annihilation of two dark matter particles.

So, that's 2 particles of this unobservable (or, difficult to observe) matter interacting with eachother in an observable way.
Very cool

[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 5 points 4 months ago

I have to agree :)

[–] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

After reading the article I would call it interesting but very far from settled. Your doubt is properly placed 🤣

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

they shpuld have put the "indirectly" in the headline, but then they would be decent. can't have that

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

but then they would be decent

Lmao, what? No, if they put "indirectly" in the headline, then they'd be just as decent but actively wrong about it being the first time. We've detected dark matter in plenty of indirect ways, from the Bullet Cluster to the angular velocity of galaxies. I don't think you understand how often particle physicists observe things based on predicted properties (such as "this decays into that") rather than something we see "directly".

Dark matter is dark matter because it only interacts gravitationally with "normal" matter and energy, and we've already observed that gravitational interaction. So what's your standard for not qualifying a dark matter observation as "indirect"? Did you want two dark matter black holes colliding? Did you want the scientists to magically change how electromagnetism works?

It's fine if you don't think this is an observation of dark matter at all, but "indirect" is needlessly splitting hairs in this field. You can read the journal article – at least the abstract – and see what the evidence is.

[–] magiccupcake@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

In the field this is actually refered to as direct observation. It's confusing for someone not familiar with the jargon as it is very similar to direct detection.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 10 points 4 months ago

Huh, actually kinda amazing, and def a bit more than the "typically bs" title hinted.

Fifteen years of the Fermi Large Area Telescope (LAT) data in the halo region of the Milky Way (MW) are analyzed to search for gamma rays from dark matter annihilation. . . . A statistically significant halo-like excess is found with a spectral peak around 20 GeV, while its flux is consistent with zero below 2 GeV and above 200 GeV. Examination of the fit residual maps indicates that a spherically symmetric halo component fits the map data well. The radial profile agrees with annihilation by the smooth NFW density profile, and may be slightly shallower than this, especially in the central region. . . . The halo excess spectrum can be fitted by annihilation with a particle mass mχ ∼ 0.5–0.8 TeV and cross section 〈συ〉 ∼ (5–8) × 10-25 cm3 s-1 for the bb̅ channel. This cross section is larger than the upper limits from dwarf galaxies and the canonical thermal relic value, but considering various uncertainties, especially the density profile of the MW halo, the dark matter interpretation of the 20 GeV “Fermi halo” remains feasible. The prospects for verification through future observations are briefly discussed.

[–] neutronbumblebee@mander.xyz 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Extra high energy particles too. So next time we get hit by secondary particles from a cosmic ray we know what's to blame. On the other hand the planet might not all be here without the extra gravity from dark matter so it's still all good. Radiation induced Cancer is horrible but having a decent sized planet is a definite plus

[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Scientists are SLAMMED by dark matter sightings.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 5 points 4 months ago

They absolutely eviscerated the process of finding.

[–] pelley@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No! You CAN'T see it. That's the whole point!

[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 1 points 4 months ago

Frack off 😂