The existence of billionaires is a policy failure : workreform

[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 1 points 3 weeks ago

Time to bring out the soluti-honhonhon.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

I agree, but they're not giving enough credit to human greed and megalomania. It should be at least 50/50.

[–] Bazell@lemmy.zip -3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I am not in a theme, but what bad in having them moving the progress by doing the space race? Maybe they are jerks, but they try to do something. Or, at least, pretend to. Can someone explain why there is so much hate towards them?

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[+] Nomad@infosec.pub -11 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

I'm absolutely pro taxing billionaires. But this has been like that forever and they fill an ingesting financing nieche with their dick measuring contest of a space race. Somebody financed all the expeditions to the north pole for example. They finance exploration and science ands engineering that the public is not willing to, but personally in glad somebody does. Also industry brings arguably far less politics and other inefficiencies with it that public funding does. Look at how the NASA budget is cut every few years and how their funding is mostly squandered overfeeding some States industry so their senators get to keep their constituency happy. I'm not saying I particularly love that there are people getting richer by the second while doing fuck all, but I love that they have a hobby that arguably benefits humanity long term.

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[+] dreary8154@lemmy.dbzer0.com -14 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

Jesus all commies.

Now you guys have a problem with innovation.

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Leftists are the first to laud innovation when it benefits regular people. This is just a dick measuring contest by some asshats, financed by stealing billions of dollars from their workers.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You do realize that NASA has a fixed budget for the science missions they can run right? Amd you do realize that when the launch costs for their satellites are 50x lower, that means they can run more science missions more often?

We all hate Musk, but it's fucking insane to look at the equivalent of the first airplane company that could land a plane and didn't just destroy it after every flight, and say 'thats just a dick measuring contest, how could that be useful?'

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Capitalism can create innovation, but capitalism is not necessary for it. The very same innovation could have happened if the state spent a fraction of this money on R&D, without all the insane Terraform Mars T-shirts and 3 companies wasting resources to do pretty much exactly the same thing three times. Sadly the american government is not an effective redistributor of wealth, and any NASA budget comes with a million (dumb) strings attached, like spending it on certain projects that benefit the state senator who voted for it.

Also, I don't know where you get that 50x number, SpaceX lowered the launch cost maybe by about 3-4x compared to contemporary chinese rockets.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Capitalism can create innovation, but capitalism is not necessary for it. The very same innovation could have happened if the state spent a fraction of this money on R&D, without all the insane Terraform Mars T-shirts and 3 companies wasting resources to do pretty much exactly the same thing three times. Sadly the american government is not an effective redistributor of wealth, and any NASA budget comes with a million (dumb) strings attached, like spending it on certain projects that benefit the state senator who voted for it.

In this situation, the state LITERALLY spent more money developing the SLS rocket, and it is going to be a colossal failure and waste of money compared to the rockets that can be reused.

Three companies trying to produce the same thing is not a waste, it's literally the defining feature of capitalism and why every government, including the Chinese Communist government, still uses capitalist systems. Multiple entities competing to do the same thing gives you more variety and diversity, and hedges your bets in case one of them is wrong or corrupted by flawed people in it.

Also, I don't know where you get that 50x number, SpaceX lowered the launch cost maybe by about 3-4x compared to contemporary chinese rockets.

Compared to SLS, the literal state funded alternative.

[–] dreary8154@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago

Your a scholar.

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[+] Bazell@lemmy.zip -23 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

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