The frames might be the first VR I buy.
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are there any linux WMs that provide a good desktop experience with VR headsets yet? I'd love to get a niri like scrolling experience with goggles - although it would make meetings weird.
Fınally, year of the Linux desktop is here!
All 3 of the new hardware seems really cool. I'm very excited. These probably won't be sold where I am, but I'm considering getting a steam controller from a 3rd party seller if it turns out to be cheap enough for me.
I'm surprised that they kept the "Steam Machine" name. I thought they would choose a different name to avoid any negative connotations. It is a very cool name though.
Also this goes to prove again that Steam/Valve is not a monopoly. If this "small" team of 350~ people in a private company can casually beat Microsoft's market domination, Every other game launcher/storefront + The 17 Billion dollars Meta burned into their VR Hardware and "The Metaverse", this is nothing but a case of crippling incompetence from their competitors.
Also this goes to prove again that Steam/Valve is not a monopoly
How does a company announcing a new item for later release disprove its status as a monopoly? How does a game company designing a better product than a bumbling social media company disprove its status as a monopoly? Can you explain?
Some 73% of developers see Steam as a monopoly
Steam satisfies the FTC's definition of a monopolist
I'm not taking a stance on whether or not valve is a monopoly, but claiming that a press release for upcoming items (that have yet to even hit the market) disproves its monopoly status seems wrong.
The fact that customers enjoy the products that a monopoly makes doesn't disprove its monopoly status. It just proves there is still some ounce of good engineering winning over shortsighted financial decisions in Valve's leadership.
I’m surprised that they kept the “Steam Machine” name. I thought they would choose a different name to avoid any negative connotations. It is a very cool name though.
what negative connotations exsit for "steam machine"
They released a swath of “Steam Machine” devices about a decade ago through partnerships with companies like Alienware. I think the software implementation was poor, and I think the prices were exorbitant.
The biggest issue with Linux phones, is that basically every hardware manufacturer refuses to support Linux in any kind of way. Chipsets, and radios in particular. Linux itself needs a little optimization for mobile but it's mostly hardware.
It's really difficult to port Linux to any android device, despite being perfectly compatible in every way outside of drivers.
The x86 to arm is very cool. I do some stuff like this on my phone by running winlator. It works better on snapdragon because it has a better video translation layer.
Huge win for Linux. Steam Deck was the first volley, but this hardware is an all-out assault on Windows' gaming dominance. MS is asleep at the wheel and making worse and worse software. I'm a 20 year Windows user and I'm planning my exit. If I were a gaming executive, I would assume 5 years from now that a smaller percentage of Steam users will be on Windows than there are today. I would want a damn good reason for my company's next game to not have full Linux support.
Microsoft will either:
- win through innovation
- win through monopolistic practices
- win through inertia
- slowly lose by having a worse product
My money is on #4. Windows will probably be the #1 desktop/laptop OS for the next 20 years, but we could enter a world where Linux and MacOS are each 10% or more of the market. Steam shows 95% Windows but that's for a gaming-focused market.
Valve isn't perfect. They're still a corporation. But if every company was as evil as Valve, we would achieve near world peace. They've contributed amazing things to open source through heavy investment.
Win through innovation
Has Microsoft ever innovated?
Windows 95, 2000/XP, and 7 were all very nice OSs. DirectX and whatever other APIs helped PC gaming. Windows Phone 8/10 are an interesting paradigm I wish still existed. The Xbox 360 blades dashboard (and later the NXE) ushered in an era we're arguably still living in. WSL.
Don't be such a ridiculous fucking hater you blind yourself to reality
Barring literally everything else, this steam box shares its lineage with the Xbox, not Sony or Nintendo's products. Speaking as one who ran xbmc on their classic first-gen it's nice to see things coming full circle to "everything is just a media center pc, bitches".
I would call Visual Studio Code a success story for them
They were innovative in hiding their money from the tax man
I’m planning my exit.
How can I help?
Embarrassingly, make a Windows 10-like OS. (More specifically, a window manager, probably.) Or have an affirmative vision for the future (non-Windows 95-derived) like Niri or (fascist-adjacent) Omarchy. 15+ years ago I booted my first distro. I ran Ubuntu with Unity on a side PC for years. Good for single screen use. I daily drove Debian for 3 months in 2018 but never got it to look more modern than Windows 2000. I never "enjoyed" it. This matches my thoughts. https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/10/deduplicating_the_desktops/
Going to try out https://www.anduinos.com/ and Zorin. Have done distro hop roulette for months and a lot of them are unsatisfying. KDE looks close to how I want but runs slow e.g. https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/post/58790510
I'm big on super+arrow to move windows from one screen to another. I rarely need more than 4 active windows per display. But my big problem with tiling is that I like seeing the windows I have open at the bottom of my screen. (this was for my laptop but similar points https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/post/58681232 )
My side OS on my main PC is Mint with MATE, but I also don't gel with it. Ran it on a family PC for years and it did the job for casual use. Random gripe off the top of my head I think applies in MATE: sorting is in byte order, not in brain order. Many linuxes sort 10, 1, 2 instead of 1, 2, 10. MATE and Xfce (iirc) have terrible file operation handling compared to Windows or (the gold standard?) Teracopy in Windows.
Every default GUI archive/extract program in Linux sucks, that I could find. I prefer Peazip but even 7z-gui (the stock one) is good. Even native windows zip support feels more pleasant. This goes back to a bazzite/omarchy philosophy of shipping software that is good, instead of defaults that suck.
Oddly enough I kind of respect AntiX + IceWM, as well as Lxqt / Lubuntu more than most of the crap modern WMs I've used.
SSH key exchange / setup is a fucking nightmare and I don't know why I'm copy pasting keys into text files or piping multiple commands together for the 50% odds that my OS setup allows it. I still don't really understand the Linux threat model where passwords on a local account make sense. (Is it to prevent local scripts from escalating to admin?)
I've run Linux servers for 5 years and I run WSL, but nothing clicks per se. I'm always more at home in Windows. Niri feels close to what I want, but too high a learning curve. I may make a post about it someday.
Maybe the Arch Linux "ports" RFC will finally be of use...
Also, box64 works better in my experience when all of the depending libraries are installed properly, and they are guaranteed to be there in this scenario given that there's the Steam runtime.
As someone who previously owned a GameCube and a G4 Cube, I'm definitely getting the Steam ~~Cube~~ Machine.
I prefer GabeCube
A standalone VR headset that I don't have to give money to the zucc to enjoy? I'm buying like 12 of these things as soon as they'll take my money
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Steam Machine
If the Steam Machine really takes off, I see way more people moving to Linux on their main rigs and laptops, and in turn making companies stop ignoring it, if it becomes a massive success I imagine:
- Mainstream games like FIFA supporting Linux
- Apps like Affinity Studio being distributed through Steam officially supported via Proton.
- Epic games will be the last company to keep ignoring Linux.
- Valve adopting Waydroid for SteamOS (for Netflix, Spotify, YouTube, etc)
- NVIDIA will redouble their Linux efforts.
- Greatest than ever VR support in Linux
Steam Frame
- Lots of Linux apps will work on Android desktop mode, like LibreOffice, Inkscape, etc.
- Linux phones will receive a lot more maintainers and funding.
Steam Deck
- Android apps on the Deck via Valve's Waydroid
- Steam Deck 2 on ARM
Other
- New use cases for ARM will motivate RISCV to speed up it's growth.
- KDE & Arch will receive more funding from Valve
- More contributions to the Kernel
- More Linux developers
- Increased security for Linux
- Flathub will grow
Steam frame could be big for vr on linux. Before steam deck came out I dualbooted windows for gaming because gaming didn't work well on linux. Nowadays its great. Steam vr is super buggy on linux right now and doesn't even have feature parity with steam vr on windows. Hopefully steam vr becomes good on linux because I would imagine the steam frame needs it to be good
this is the year of linux
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I thought it was obvious, 2026 is going to be the year of the Linux desktop.
year of the linux goggle headwear apparatus
If the Frame is as open as the Deck it will be the perfect device for VR devs to play around with and make awesome stuff with. i think one of the things holding back VR was that almost every headset was super locked down.
If the Quests had been more open we'd have had much more experimental games. Maybe the Metaverse would actually be a thing. But Meta prefers to keep everything under their control not realising that this hampers development and adoption.
It's so weird considering how differently their approach is to like pytorch and LLAMA
LLAMA if I recall correctly was closed source until the source code was leaked online. After that Meta decided to just open source it.
Hence, Zuckerberg has just recently fired most of the LLAMA staff, the lab's leader is rumored to be leaving for their own startup, and the new lab where all the funding's going is a bunch of tech bro egos that are pro-closed models.
…And I suspect PyTorch is too “utilitarian” for Facebook's leadership to draw enshittification attention.
Llama was an anomaly, and it seems they’re done with that. Which is quite sad. But on the plus side, it could be a death knell for Meta (as all that ego in the new lab will be a catastrophe).
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