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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I remember when China was the boogie man of surveillance until the rest went 'hold my beer'. What the fuck is going on?

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 1 points 8 hours ago

I don't know, but Chase is on the case!

[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just another brick in the road to fascism. No privacy make it harder to organize and protest.

[–] sp3ctre@feddit.org 17 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

So, the only question should be: What do we do about it?

[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Not your privacy keys, not your security.

You need to encrypt your data before sending it through any app and have an easy method to share private keys with your contacts, preferably anonymously without association of phone numbers etc.

Relying on any centralized app network will always expose you to their security backdoors. We need on device cryptography that encrypts data before it goes to WhatsApp or Signals servers.

Even if they allow a govt agency to read encrypted streams, it will be a garbled mess.

[–] AwakenedAce@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Signal is on device cryptography, that's the whole point of E2EE. Same for WhatsApp theoretically so iirc it just leaks a shit ton of metadata.

This is more the stage of needing off device cryptography that you then paste into the messenger because the backdoor would be on your device but before the message is encrypted and sent

[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Or double encryption.

[–] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 7 points 22 hours ago

We need laws to the oposite, granting a right to privacy.

[–] Sepia@mander.xyz 10 points 1 day ago

Yeah, we see where such surveillance ends when we look to China.

[–] Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Qith this being a clear sign of fascism, I wonder if were these policies to be implemented, is there a good change that when fascism is defeated, that we can undo such policies?

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 13 hours ago

When fascism is defeated there historically are several outcomes

  1. A new totalitarian regime takes power
  2. The country splinters into multiple other countries
  3. Very rarely it is being replaced by democracy

So the chance is not that good, luckily we do not yet are in fascism in the EU. We have some traits that are fullfilled and signs more will be but it can still be prevented in the EU.

The US on the other hand is fucked.

[–] BeerEnjoyer@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Interesting how "active" they became in 2025. Before, we had one of those proposals failing and then a little bit of peace. Now it fails one time and next week they try again. Not only that, it doesn't happen only in Europe, since many states in the USA implemented the age verification for 18+ sites (according to the AOL it's 17 states counting from 01/01/2025), and also the entire thing happening in the UK.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

We have to always be on guard and win every time, but they only have to succeed once.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Remember the war that will come some time after 2027 that Tusk mentioned. Free information makes winning that war more difficult.

[–] anytimesoon@piefed.social 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Which war is this referencing?

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] anytimesoon@piefed.social 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm missing something?

The article says nothing of Tusk or his prediction of a war

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 11 hours ago

The Polish Prime Minister referred to a similar assessment by the head of the US European Command (USEUCOM) and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, General Alexis Grinkiewicz, with whom he had spoken shortly before. According to this assessment, by 2027 Russia and China could become strong enough to seek a coordinated confrontation with NATO and the United States.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm building a takedown-safe encrypted sharing protocol (& implementation). You can build a chat in top of that and no regulator could ever take it down.

Want to help? Spend 5 minutes trying out the new web prototype (it's just downloading theough a web page, very simple) and tell how it went here!

We should actively fight back IMO.

It's all FOSS ofcoure.

Cheers

/Valmond

[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

There are endless protocols to build censorship-resistant secure peer to peer messaging on. The problem is that nobody uses them.

The most recent one in my memory was Veilid. Is anyone using anything built on that?

Do you think that your protocol will achieve more usage than one that was announced at DEFCON by cDc members?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Not everyone needs the limelight. Crypto apes are way more known than the Tenfingers sharing protocol, but that doesn't keep me up at night ☺️.

I haven't checked out Veilid enough but for some other protocols I have made a comparative here.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

here we go again. God damet!

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The cycles seem to be speeding up.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 23 hours ago

Because with every day of ICE surveillance, the politicians in the EU understand more and more how useful all that data is when trying to build a fascist regime. And considering that in all these proposals they always exclude themselves from accountability, fascism is exactly what they aspire to.

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Who submitted it this time?

[–] verdi@feddit.org 2 points 13 hours ago

Again the Danes...