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And he is now saying, I am going to acclimate the American public to the use of military force anywhere I deem it. Appropriate under any circumstances, and I may well, the president may be thinking, I may well have us in a war by the time the elections roll around, which will enable me to say any opposition to me and my party is basically treason and unpatriotic.

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[–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 119 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He's going to? He already is.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think they mean full-on attacks instead of just national guard police action. Small distinction, I know.

[–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Sure. He means live fire, urban combat, and a descent into outright revolution. But they want to act like the frog isn't in the pot already.

I wonder how the red states are going to survive when they can't get anything into or out of the ports.

[–] lettruthout@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

…and tax money from the richer blue states.

[–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

True. But I doubt it will be state vs state. That's not where the loyalties are. It will be urban vs rural.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not when the Blue state governments use their inherent wealth to provide for their rural constituents, because we all need to eat, while rural areas of red states wither and die, transforming into vast tracts of corporate owned agribusiness

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It just fully hit that New England is more than likely to wind up being the last holdout of the independent, family owned farm. The region with the worst soil, terrible growing season, and heaviest industrialization, will likely remain the last place where independent farms try to scratch enough out of the dirt to feed their neighbors and turn a meager profit. Because it's a labor of love. Nobody farms up here for the money, because there basically isn't any. But there is generational wealth built into the land and it's ability to provide enough. And a healthy dose of Yankee "fuck you this is my land" attitude against selling out to big business.

[–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There's always the option of antitrust as well. The government could, if it had a backbone, bust up corporate land aggregates. But very heartening to hear that take about New England, something I hadn't considered. I know livestock are big out there so had assumed most land was either grazing or feed farming.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

I would consider livestock less than half, maybe even a third of the farming effort up here. Vermont does the dairy thing but that's about it. It's generally very mixed, some livestock, but mostly agriculture.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

A nationwide class war gladiator-style event for the ruling class to munch popcorn to. Wheee.

[–] EditsHisComments@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Depends on if there would be enough Generals and Admirals who sided with blue states.

But red states would repeat the mistakes of the confederacy and rely on Southern ports, and the rest of the US would once again blockade the Gulf and destroy their supply lines.

Only difference now is red states can get supplies via air.

[–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's true. And air freight is much more limited in its capacity too so it's usually only considered for critical goods.

[–] EditsHisComments@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Good point, plus any sufficient naval blockade would also have some AA capabilities, at least for the Gulf. So they would have to be creative about getting supplies that way

[–] Redditsux@lemmy.world 49 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is all conditioning people, normalizing the use of military for political means. He will then use it to remain in power in 2028. Martial law is coming.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He will be 82 years old in 2028

Not saying they won't try all of this, but I don't think they'll be able to pull it off for very long if at all

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

AI will take it from there, they don’t need a live body, just televised events.

[–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

They'll just Weekend at Bernie's him. His base would believe it.

[–] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is not speculation. Project 2025, through its 900-page Mandate for Leadership, lays out a framework for using the U.S. military and other federal forces inside the country against its own people. It starts by calling the federal government “a behemoth, weaponized against American citizens and conservative values” (Foreword, p. xv). From that claim, it argues the next president must “re-forge” the Department of Defense and other agencies to “serve the president” directly (p. 171). That wording removes the wall that separates civilian governance from military command.

Project 2025 proposes that all senior military promotions be reviewed by the White House to ensure loyalty to presidential priorities. That recommendation appears in the section on the Department of Defense (Mandate for Leadership, cited in People’s Guide p. 46-47) where it directs the president to “review all general and flag officer promotions.” Once that happens, the military becomes an arm of political enforcement rather than national defense.

It also outlines the use of federal and possibly military resources to “arrest, detain, and remove immigration violators anywhere in the United States.” That line appears in multiple summaries of the Mandate (People’s Guide p. 3, 41-47). It does not limit that power to the border. It explicitly authorizes “arrest operations anywhere in the United States.” That is domestic deployment by definition.

The Mandate treats the Department of Defense as a political tool, demanding a purge of leadership that resists “social engineering” and replacing them with those who share the president’s “values” (People’s Guide p. 46, citing Mandate pp. 80-81, 213, 524). It also revives Executive Order 13957, also known as Schedule F, to remove non-partisan officials and replace them with “policy-advocating” loyalists (p. 43-44). That structure would put every major department, including Defense, under direct presidential command with no institutional buffer.

Once power is concentrated in this way, the same troops and officers sworn to defend the nation can be ordered to suppress dissent, occupy cities, or enforce political will under executive authority.

In short, Project 2025 is the first open plan in modern American history to outline the conditions under which the military could be used against citizens. It replaces the principle of civilian control with the principle of presidential control. Anyone who reads The People’s Guide to Project 2025, pages 3, 43-47, 80-81, 171, 213, 524, and the Foreword p. xv, will see that it does not prepare for national defense. It prepares for internal enforcement.

[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The hell do they mean "will"? There are already troops in the streets.

the press has already fallen in line. that's why they report like this.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not the first time America will have bombed its own citizens on its own soil, and surely wont be the last.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's not like they've ever let any of that into the general curriculum anyhow. looks at downvotes 🫩🤦🏽‍♂️ These same idiots will be among those screaming for mercy when it's their turn for the gestapo to kick in their doors. 🥲

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Perhaps just Trump left the country to do this and then claim it was someone else.

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago

Ooh...more doomscroll for me. Thank you.