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cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/29013651

I posted this as a comment somewhere else, but people here might find it useful, so here it is.


Not only will an avocado seed not grow true, the seedling tree is not guaranteed to produce fruit at all, and the flowering of avocado is temperature-dependent, so if you (e.g.) plant a Hass avocado in the lowland tropical rainforest, the nights probably won't get cold enough to trigger proper flowering.

"The stigma of an avocado flower will normally have ceased to be receptive to pollen when it starts to release its own pollen. However, as a result of the mass flowering ... under ideal temperatures (maximum 25°C, minimum 20°C) there is theoretically some overlap from other flowers providing a small window of opportunity for what is termed close-pollination."

"But under cooler conditions (maximum 20°C, minimum 10°C), flower opening can be both delayed and extended. Type B flowers may be delayed so much that the female stage may not be detected, with the flower appearing to open only as a functional male. Also, the male phase of type A flowers may be so delayed that they remain open over-night and into the next morning."

https://www.agric.wa.gov.au/spring/growing-avocados-flowering-pollination-and-fruit-set?page=0%2C1

Equatorial lowlands would most likely not experience the cold conditions mentioned above, and with multiple flowering avocado trees in close proximity to each other, close-pollination could provide an adequate avocado yield. However, high temperatures can also interfere with flowering, pollination, and fruit set:

"Under a tropical temperature regime of 33°C day and 23°C night the trees of the cultivars Fuerte and Hass had fewer flowers and a shorter flowering period than under temperature conditions of 25°C day and 15°C night."

"In the Fuerte cultivar daytime temperatures above 30°C or below 20°C were found to disrupt flowering ... High temperatures appeared to stimulate vegetative growth at the expense of reproductive development and flowers and developing fruit were shed from the plant."

"The problem was particularly marked amongst Mexican and Guatemalan type cultivars; less so in West Indian types."

https://www.avocadosource.com/WAC1/WAC1_p042.pdf

"West Indian cultivars flower well in tropical climates, but often flower poorly in the subtropical climate of Southern California. On the other hand, Guatemalan and Guatemalan x Mexican hybrids flower poorly in tropical climates, but flower profusely in California."

"Flowering in ‘Hass’ and the other subtropical avocado cultivars is induced by a period of low temperature. ‘Hass’ did not flower when kept at temperatures of 30/25, 25/20 or 20/5 [degrees] C (day/night), but did flower when exposed to 3-4 months of 15/10, 18/15, 20/15 and 23/18 [degrees] C (day night). Under the two last temperature regimes the flowering was delayed and sparse"

https://ucanr.edu/sites/alternativefruits/files/166371.pdf

Here one can see the differences in yield when avocado trees flower within or outside of the optimal temperature range:

https://www.avocadosource.com/WAC1/WAC1_p045.pdf

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Also, and I forget the nomenclature, but avocado flowering timing, and avocado flower type, vary.

Seasonal flowering is easy enough to understand, but avocados also have separate male and female components to their flowers, which are not exposed at the same time of day. Some are male parts early, female flowers parts late, others are female flowers parts early, male flower parts late.

Because of this, you do want to make sure you have avocado of matching season but opposite types.

HOWEVER... I grew up in an area with thousands of avocado trees, like, a major growing hub. And I live in a very different place now and also I currently have only one avocado in my yard.

BECAUSE, if there are sufficient avocado in your area, getting them pollinated successfully is just a non-issue. So long as there is a sufficient density of other people growing avocados around you, this is just something you don't really need to worry about.

I have the one avocado, and no not even worrying about mating type or season, I get hundreds, maybe thousands of fertilized flowers every year, on just one tree. I have had issues with fruit drop, but that is a disease issue we're still trying to work around (avocado leaf bug).

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Yup I’ve had to learn about this as well but from the opposite perspective. It’s cool here in spring when the avocado trees flower so despite them growing fairly well they produce very little fruit. The only varieties I’ve seen to be really productive in colder climates are Mexicola and Mexicola Grande but there could be others. Even Hass which is adapted to somewhat cool temps is only slightly productive. As you mentioned in the other post, B type varieties more or less don’t produce at all here because the flower never gets to the female phase.

Unfortunately there hasn’t really been a lot of testing in this area yet since it’s basically the northern limit of where avocados can grow, and a few decades ago it was more difficult.

[–] wolfyvegan@slrpnk.net 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You're doing important work, experimenting with avocados in a new area. Have you tried growing many different cultivars? If you document the results, that could really help other growers to make informed decisions about what to plant.

Years ago, I tried a very small and dense/oily avocado that was being sold in the local market for only one week due to some sort of a mix-up (they had ordered Hass as usual and gotten this other kind instead). It was delicious, and after researching a bit, I concluded that it was quite possibly a Mexicola. If you can grow Mexicola Grande in your area and get proper production from it, you're still pretty well off. :)

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks. I do think it’s important but unfortunately I have very little space to experiment since my back yard is about the size of a room in a normal US house. But I have been collected seed from avocados that I see fruiting in my local area and growing them, then I plan to give them away to people. It will be hard to observe how they are doing on private property but I hope it will still be beneficial in some way.

[–] wolfyvegan@slrpnk.net 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Oof. I didn't know that your growing space was that small. Still, even if you just check in from time to time with the people who "adopt" the seedlings, you can get some idea of what works and what doesn't. And if not, at least sharing is caring.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 hours ago

I live in a fairly large expensive city so while I wish I had more space I do feel lucky to have what I do. Most people I know are renters which is why checking on the trees can be a challenge. Most renters move from place to place before a tree would grow to maturity.