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Windows 10's Extra Year of Updates Has a Catch (you pay for it after first year EU) (apertatube.net)
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[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

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Is this where I brag about using Linux and therefor being superior?

Honestly, I never and still don't entirely understand people's clingy-ness to old OSs. I was happily using Windows 8.1, 10, 11 (less happily), (and now Kubuntu brag successful), while apparently many were clinging to Windows 7. Maybe it's because I try to be more open to change, or maybe it's because I just like new and shiny software, but rarely do I cling to old software. The newer versions of windows were the new shiny thing with additional features (some useful, and some annoying), and now Linux is that new shiny thing with a lot of useful features and some annoying things.

P.S. I'm not sure if peertube supports timestamped links (it probably does, it's friggin peertube), but this would've been a time to use that feature, as the relevant part to the title doesn't begin until 1:48.

[–] avatar@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)
[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I just said I use Linux, I am aware. There were a couple of games I played that had shitty incompatible anticheat, GTAO and The Crew 2. There are a lot of good games out there, I can live without.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 1 hour ago

Another win for Linux!

[–] MicrowavedTea@infosec.pub 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

People are used to their workflows and windows makes it a big deal to update from one version to another. Especially if you've made particular setups or used hacks they're pretty much guaranteed to stop working. Linux doesn't usually do this but I'm getting the same issue with android where every update breaks something and it's worse because here there is no option to not upgrade.

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Isn't Windows like the king of backwards compatibility? I am of the opinion that it's more people that just like the OS because they're used to it, not that it'd actually break their workflows. They'd just have to learn a few new ways of doing things, and they don't want to.

In thinking about this, I have come up with a couple of reasons to not upgrade OSs:

  • If the new OS costs money, like Windows used to, yeah I might not buy it if it isn't enough better. When my new laptop comes with it, I'm not going to go out of the way to downgrade it though.
  • If the only OS maker in town was a monopoly (but then again, if there was a monopoly, they'd probably force you to upgrade to continue using your device, almost like what windows is doing, as they really do have a large monopoly on gaming and non-overpriced/somewhat-repairable machines)

Finally, in thinking about this, I'm just so glad Linux exists and is actually finally a usable alternative to Windows.

[–] MicrowavedTea@infosec.pub 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

From what I remember it's backwards compatible on lower levels but can you easily run a Windows 7 app on Windows 10? Windows 11 was a smaller change but then they force you to upgrade hardware which is the opposite of compatibility.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

but can you easily run a Windows 7 app on Windows 10?

Yes? Pretty much anything made for XP and up will run on 11. Shit as long as the program is 32 bit it will probably run. Only exception is games, and that's more just because hardware has moved on.

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I wouldn't expect someone to upgrade hardware just to get the newest OS. And yeah, you can run a windows 7 app on windows 10, there's a compatibility mode in the properties of the exe where you can tell it to run in Windows xyz compatibility mode, though often you won't need to bother with that, as it'll just work.

[–] hietsu@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just let me know when I can install heavy Windows-only apps to Linux and I will make the switch in a second. A couple of examples: SOLIDWORKS CAD or PTC Creo (and related apps), Adobe CC (well for this there at least are foss alternatives but not fully compatible/comparable).

For a company, switching a CAD system for example would cost major $$$ and any automatic conversion is nowhere near complete, so you’d basically have to redraw everything relevant from scratch with the new system. Also there simply does not appear to be any major CAD system supporting Linux, NX used to but not anymore.

[–] rapchee@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

oh well we will use windows for everything i guess, because not enough people use linux, no need to even try before there is a 100% solution

[–] hietsu@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

What?

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, when I switched from Linux I had to give up Fusion360, and now am using OnShape. I'm also not generally talking about companies, at work I'm still required to use Windows, and that's kinda understandable, though I could do my job on Linux. I am a creator, and do wish some of the alternatives for CC apps were better, but I also never considered giving money to Adobe, even when I used Windows.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

In the case of Windows, it is because MS has spent the past... 20 or so years slowly phasing out old functionality while not actually adding in new ones. So you get the mess of two (three?) different control panels which each one having capabilities the other doesn't and so forth.

I also personally hated when they got rid of the start menu but also acknowledge that for the past almost 15 years my workflow has been "winkey and then type what I want".

But mostly it is the MS mindset of completely changing the UX sometimes mid-generation and expecting people to figure it out. Which... I am not going to pretend that neurodivergence doesn't play a factor but I kind of fucking hate my machine rebooting and suddenly I have to figure out a new interface.

Also there is MS increasingly activating more and more monitoring and spyware (sometimes re-enabling silently) with every single update. Same with increasingly locking people into MS accounts and cloud shit.

And while I do think many of the Lemmy Linux Users are more obnoxious than Vegans What Do Crossfit... contrast that with Linux where you find a desktop environment you like and you are basically good for a decade... and then another eight years after that when everyone is "slowly migrating". And as long as you stay the fuck away from Gentoo and Arch, you have a pretty idiot proof setup for the vast majority of people.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 1 day ago

You honestly think windows hasn’t added any new functionality over the last 20 or so years? What specific functionality have they supposedly removed?

[–] tordenflesk@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

https://massgrave.dev/#how-to-activate-windows--office--extended-updates-esu

[–] melfie@lemy.lol 2 points 2 days ago

Given how few upvotes this has, it seems people in this thread don’t like Microsoft’s policy, but also have a moral objection to running a script to get the extended updates free.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean no shit? Isn’t that why they emphasized by how these are the “free” ones?

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"Free trials have a catch! Once the free trial runs out, it isn't free any more, and it actually starts costing money!"

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 days ago

Linux is waiting.

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My PC needs a reinstall anyway

[–] ziggurat@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Cool, here's what you need to do a reinstall https://fedoraproject.org/

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

if only there were some alternatives

[–] avatar@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Does Bazzite let you play games that use anticheat?

https://areweanticheatyet.com/

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Tbh if that’s the only value-add that windows can come up with compared to linux gaming in the long run… that’s a great argument for boycotting the games that insist on using that shit - or at least, insist on using insecure / shitty anticheat that’s incompatible with Linux, and/or requires comically and inappropriately broad permissions

[–] waldo_was_here@piefed.social -5 points 3 days ago

You guys use windows ? , iam on Linux and love it for the last 12 years