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Antonio Gramsci, Dominic Losurdo, Silvia Fredirici, etc. [Technically Michael Parenti if we go by his surname, and the fact that New York City is rightful Italian land (/s)].

Obviously there are good authors everywhere [and obviously AES states have more], but I feel like Italians get a slightly bigger proportion of non-AES originated publications compared to other places like Germany and Britain [although in the latter's case, their intellectuals are so endlessly insufferable im genuinely considering calling for a ban on all publications from the god forsaken island]

Anyway, probably just confirmation bias, but if anyone has any thoughts on it then id love to here them

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[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

North Italy especially had a very revolutionary tradition, throughout various periods there were more communists than liberals, especially after the russian revolution, and during the 1950s-70s. It was one of the main fronts of the cold war, which is why the CIA put so many resources into killing them during the years of lead and stamping out their orgs via gladio.

The Italian and other southern and eastern european expats to the US during the early 1900s formed the core of most of its communist / socialist organizing too. They were highly-communitarian minded people, pretty much the opposite of anglos.

Highly recommend comrades read Paul Williams - Operation Gladio.

[–] deathtoreddit@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

North Italy as well? You know - they seem surprisingly revolutionary, despite being what I presume to be the most richer region amongst North and South

[–] King_Simp@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago

It's because they were the more industrialized region. Southern Italy used to be a lot more agrarian. It's like how Hungary used to be to Austria under the Dual Monarchy.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

Italians are either fash or leftist. Their libs have all been scratched

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Catholicism was also a major force behind revolutionary energy in Latin America. Growing up feeling guilty about how selfish you are and looking up to a guy who sacrificed his life for others adds an element to the culture that can often lead to wanting to go out of your way to make the world better for those less fortunate.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The vatican and catholic power structure was always allied with reactionaries in both europe and latin america, and helped latin american countries hunt down and kill leftists, including liberation theology priests. The last pope, pope Francis, even helped imprison and kill several during the argentian junta.

Highly recommend reading Paul L Williams - Operation Gladio, because it gets into this history, especially the cold-warrior alliance of the CIA / NATO, the catholic church, fascist lodges and stay-behind units in Europe and SA, and the mob. The vatican played a large role in many of anti-communist atrocities of the 20th century.

[–] fellagha@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If we go further back in history, there's also the "Doctrine of Discovery" - the Catholic church would respond and grant a Catholic colonizer "rights" to colonize an area and eradicate indigenous populations, by issuing the Inter Caetera decree.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Definitely. Christianity was an extremely powerful tool to "pacify" populations, and columbus pretty much inaugurated the era of Christian colonialism.

"If they can't pacify you with the bible, then they use the gun".

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

Yes the Catholic church is trash and many catholics are in turn.

But every now and then, people do take the lessons to heart

[–] Conselheiro@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago

I mean, Marx came from Germany so...

But I think it has to do with how both Germany and Italy were heavily industrialized while also not having as many colonies like Spain, Britain or France.

But Germany actually got a socialist government in the east after the war, so their western counterparts by necessity had to be social democrats. The Communist Party of Italy on the other hand went on existing for most of the 20th century, supported by the Comintern.

In all of Western Europe the last century, I think Italy and maybe (Northern) Ireland had the most consistent revolutionary potential until Eurocommunism doomed the peninsula.

[–] fellagha@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Economic disparity in Italy following industrialization, between North and South, which continues to this day, undoubtedly could be a factor. Italy is also a very extroverted culture with a collectivist, outgoing tradition that even today opposes social atomization that capitalism creates (think of movements like Cittaslow and Slowfood), but this can be said about so many other cultures in just the Mediterranean basin alone - Italy has just been part of the imperial core, meaning higher literacy rates and thus "capacity" to produce such prominent Marxist thinkers. Italy also saw fascism, which perhaps could have made class consciousness amongst intellectuals skyrocket?

And confirmation bias? Maybe, but it's a fun thought experiment regardless because we as Marxists are materialists in the first place, so we know that this isn't just an "inherent genetic trait", or "random", as liberal idealism would propose.

Britain [although in the latter’s case, their intellectuals are so endlessly insufferable im genuinely considering calling for a ban on all publications from the god forsaken island]

~~not just their intellectuals are insufferable lmao, that's too generous when speaking of that "civilization"~~

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Italy is also a very extroverted culture with a collectivist, outgoing tradition that even today opposes social atomization that capitalism creates

Almost the polar opposite of anglos. Italians are outgoing, social, community-focused / communitarian. Anglos are reserved, individualistic, and care more about unlimited freedom for individuals than collective betterment.

[–] fellagha@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Facts, comrade. If we divert off-topic a little further and focus on anthropology, honestly, this comparison can be drawn in general between "superior whites" (Celto-Germanics) and the "non-whites" (including European Mediterraneans, at least historically). The ethno-nationalists claim to be so "superior" yet prefer the food of the "inferiors", appropriate the cultural traditions and teachings of the "inferiors", and even try to steal the history of the "inferiors", by claiming it as their own or by attempting to sever the continuity between ancient civilizations they find fascinating and the modern populations, which are their descendants, to paint those as "inferiors". This is a veeeery common trick in the playbook of aforementioned Anglo intellectuals, and the Fr*nch too.

This is partially how the entire myth of "Western civilization" emerged, which is little more than a Eurocentric term for what became the political imperialist bloc we know today, rooted in the same narratives that gave us "civilizing mission", "savages" and other nonsense - which are today recycled into the neocon language's "spreading democracy", "terrorists", etc.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I would say it's confirmation bias because you can't name every other Italian. Go on.

[–] King_Simp@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 week ago

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