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[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 104 points 5 months ago (1 children)

FYI, this was not in the museum but was briefly available at the gift shop. As evidenced by the price tag.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/holocaust-museum-warning-signs-fascism/

[–] petersr@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Some capitalist move to warn about late-stage capitalism?

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

genocide survivors warning of the cause of their genocide who were rescued by other capitalists and then rescued again by liberal capitalists from the other authoritarian communists

not too bright are ya?

[–] petersr@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Nah, IQ less than 8

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 71 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

You'd think so....

But they actually want this.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 38 points 5 months ago (5 children)

In 2017, it was observed that Trump had ticked all but two boxes. Now that he's bent on controlling the media, it seems there's just 1 remaining. But there is still free media, so perhaps it's more like 1.5.

Some have commented that the elections are already fraudulent, but I remain skeptical of this. I'll admit that gerrymandering is a problem, but gerrymandering has always been a problem so it's not a bright-line for me. Still, I can't shake the idea that the main reason there hasn't been a fraudulent election under the 47th presidency so far is that there hasn't been an election at all yet.

Either way, you don't need every box checked to be alarmed.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Elections are cooked friend

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Some have commented that the elections are already fraudulent, but I remain skeptical of this.

A lot of things that other functioning democracies consider fraud or corruption are legal in the US. So elections aren't technically fraudulent, but neither are they free or fair.

[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

It's an interesting point you raise. The media has mutated since the list was written, now encompassing anyone with an opinion and an internet connection. Where in the past the media was more centralised and therefore more easy to control totally, now it's very difficult to eradicate dissent completely - the media has become more aligned to the masses than to the elites. So a different approach is needed to get to totalitarianism.
My take is that they're already applying pressure to the new media, and it might be the last thing to buckle. Perhaps left wing content creators will be criminalised soon (NSPM-7 could be the first step, or indeed the only step, in practice to this end) and then we only have to wait until the 2028 election to be able to shout "Bingo".

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

One popular approach is alignment of businesses and government in creating an ecosystem that is the internet for most people, like everything-apps. Musk did claim to create a WeChat-alike from X but it didn't went far.

Weird acquisitions though are increasingly more alarming. First, Musk got Twitter as a whole company, and although we didn't initially know who co-paid for it, there weren't explicit commentary on what exactly Elon would do with it, you needed to read between the lines. Recent TikTok USA purchase by Ellison though not only helped by the government, it's publicly aknowledged that it would become a propaganda tool for MAGA to affect genZ and genA.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's an interesting point you raise. The media has mutated since the list was written, now encompassing anyone with an opinion and an internet connection. Where in the past the media was more centralised and therefore more easy to control totally, now it's very difficult to eradicate dissent completely - the media has become more aligned to the masses than to the elites. So a different approach is needed to get to totalitarianism.

And that aporoach is widespread use of disinformation.

Another key point is the ongoing attack on the autonomy of societal institutions, like universities. Timothy Snyder has written about the importance of them in On Tyranny, and Trump behaves as if Snyder's book was an instruction manual.

There is a German Nazi term that is perhaps useful to describe what's happening, it is Gleichschaltung.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It seems to me like the media is about the same as it was in 2017, as even in 2017 anyone with an opinion and an internet connection could gain throngs of followers online. The difference I see is that major news organizations have shifted to be moderately more conservative (previously ~centrist organizations are now moderately trump-approving, and previously conservative organizations are now far right, previously democrat-favouring organizations are now hedging their bets). MAGA is pressuring or threatening to pressure social media organizations to shift toward more MAGA content, but I think we're not even at the inflection point for this yet.

[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago

Fully agree, but I wrote my comment with the context that the original post was of an exhibit from at least decades ago, not in this presidency.

[–] amorangi@lemmy.nz 10 points 5 months ago

Free media? Wtf? Larry Ellison's money just bought Paramount, Fox is owned by another billionaire. Colbert gets fired after strong arming by the president. I could go on, but a free media doesn't mean a media owned solely by billionaires in league with the administration.

As an outsider looking in at American media it's been horrifying for decades at the deluded propaganda rammed down the population's throat, and freely accepted.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

The US had ticked all those boxes back in 2002 at the very latest. It's well past "early warning signs" at this point.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 37 points 5 months ago

How DARE that museum target the Trump administration, in such a focused and deliberate manner?

[–] circledot@feddit.org 28 points 5 months ago

A warning to some. An instruction to others.

[–] Viiksisiippa@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 months ago

That’s the U.S. in a nutshell.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I tick all the boxes! Beautiful boxes! Nobody ticks all the boxes like I do! Many people say so!

[–] Aganim@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

The BEST and LARGEST BOXES in the world. And I will make MEXICO PAY for the pen I use to tick them!

[–] themaninblack@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

U.S. Holocaust Museum: “Never again”

U.S. Holocaust Museum: “Takie backsies”

Oops, *L.A., not U.S.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

“That sign won’t stop me because I can’t read!”

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Just that fraudulent election left and I'm all in!

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm not entirely convinced we're not already there. There's a county in NY that had 0 votes for Kamala. I just saw an article yesterday about some people getting absentee ballots that were prefilled.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe, but the outcome wasn't altered.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If the fraud claims are true how would you know? That's the danger of election fraud its not just about the outcome but creating uncertainty about the truth of the outcome.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

When it's very close it's difficult but usually statistics and polling shows very reliable numbers. So you'll know when bizarre things happen, also dictators seems to just have to get 85-95% lol

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] F_State@midwest.social 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Software experts consistently warn about how terrifying computer voting systems are and everyone else consistently ignores them.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Look, you’re just describing America at any point in its history. You’re going to have to be more specific.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 8 points 5 months ago

Yeah. I went to the Holocaust Museum with a Trump supporter. The cognitive dissonance was astounding.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 5 months ago

Least cool guide yet.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

They were recently forced to clarify against some hapless employee offensively saying an obvious humanist principle. "Never again means never again only for Jews."

This list feels like anti-fa to someone, and so should soon be corrected.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

These museums hold zero authority anymore.