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Plight of Roma in EU 'one of the greatest human rights scandals on the continent' (euobserver.com)

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

Reminder: Hungary got Orbán, partly because alt media inflated "Roma crimes".

[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 15 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I grew up in a country with a large Roma minority. Before WW2 they were travellers. They roamed the country in search of odd jobs. My grandma told me that they always paid them to cut their grass into hay bales, or to fix their pots and crockery.

Then communism came, and they were forced to settle dowwn and hold jobs. The vast majority never adjusted, and they treated their housing as temporary camp sites, devastating everything and then demanding new housing. This, naturally, created discontent that was aimed against the Roma, instead the authorities who forced them to change their way of life.

I now live in Ireland, which sees the same kind of "racism", even though they are white: the Travellers. As the name suggests, they also come from the roaming background. They are also forced to settle, and they are treating their halting sites as temporary camp sites. I have one nearby. I pay some people from there to clean my driveway or gutters. They do a better and cheaper job than professional contractors. I know that it's impossible to live a nomadic life in a civilised society, but sometimes I think how nice it would have been to let them roam again, and not care about them anymore.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago

I wouldn't say it's impossible

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah, Europeans say some INSANELY xenophobic shit about Roma.

[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

I dated a guy from Hungary that would go on and on about the "gypsies" and made racist jokes about them. It was quite uncomfortable.

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There’s one in this thread and they’re completely unhinged

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

I saw. Really bad. Over 80% of Italians have negative opinions on them (I think it was Italians, can't remember rn), and even as an American, a place known for bigotry and hatred (as it should be), I could never imagine 80% of our modern population being that discriminatory. Maybe I've just been mostly interacting with the minority, but still.

[–] network_switch@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You hear a lot of racist shit in Europe. It's not as bad in the big cities with large non-white populations but during times of xenophobia/super anti-immigration, the racism goes wild. Outside the big cities, it's as bad or worse than country USA racism just without the global public microscope

[–] Greddan@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Kids that are legally mandated to be in school shouldn't be used for begging in the streets instead. Oops apparently I'm "racist" now for not "respecting" a beautiful "culture".

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Actually, you weren't. Up until that last sentence.

[–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Kids have historically been used for labour since agriculture was invented. They would learn more out on the fields that they would being stuck in a square grey box. I believe the current administration has plans to curtail age restrictions for employment.

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 13 hours ago

Women were historically beaten, Kids were historically married off at a young age. They won't learn more in the fields, if they don't visit a school. We have billions of uneducated farmers to prove that.

Kids need to be in school and get the occasional work or field experience. Not the other way around.

[+] hakkinen@lemmy.world -34 points 1 day ago (4 children)

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[–] Dojan@pawb.social 50 points 1 day ago

Right. Ten hour old account come to spew weird racism and bigotry.

I used to do homework help, a good chunk of the kids were Romani. They were just regular kids, and the parents were just regular parents. Hell, they cared more than my own mother did.

You can fuck off, you racist weirdo.

[–] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Evil is not hereditary. There is no ethnic group of people who are evil.

[+] boonhet@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

It's the so called travellers that are evil. Pretty much all travellers in some places are roma, but it seems increasingly few roma are travellers because I haven't really heard much of them recently in my country.

Generally, travellers raise their children to be thieves at a young age. Once they break out of that isolated crime community cycle, they're just people and blend into society.

Unfortunately in a lot of people's eyes, roma people are still a travellers. Seems in my country they've mostly gotten jobs instead of stealing and telling fortunes though, so nobody really cares about them anymore.

Edit: A lot of people are not getting this apparently (and also many are). Travellers are pretty much equivalent to gangs, but in a way even worse (yet also significantly less violent, luckily). They don't want their children to get educated, because they don't want better lives for their children. So yes, the original (and generally still ongoing) cause is poverty and discrimination, but there's an element of "we don't even WANT to be part of society" here. They have entirely different values from most other people as such. As such, just treating Roma as equals isn't enough. There's a need for outreach programs to try to get them to even WANT to integrate in larger numbers. It used to be that basically all Roma were travellers, and a huge problem is that people are still so prejudiced that in at least some European languages, the word for traveller and Roma is the same (it being essentially a slur, such as gypsy). Also through no fault of their own, knowledge of the word "roma" or "romani" is not as widespread as it should be... And the word itself sounds a lot like we're talking about someone from Rome or Romania.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is just wrong.

Poor and marginalized people commit acts of desperation. Acts like raising their children to be thieves at a young age. Once they stop being poor and marginalized, they're just people and blend into society.

Unfortunately Roma are poor and marginalized.

[–] loudwhisper@infosec.pub 9 points 1 day ago

It is more complicated than that, and it changes country by country. There are cultural/traditional issues that contribute to perpetrating the vicious circle of poverty. One such factor is preventing kids from attending schools. This makes some people unable to speak local language and functionally unemployable, paving the road to poverty and marginalization.

That said, at least in my country this issue affects a tiny minority of the Roma population. An even smaller minority is apolid, mostly coming from ex-Yugoslavia, which obviously causes several problems with the ability to work.

The main aspect though is that "solutions" proposed by many governments, like building "camps" when they can settle, are just ineffective from all points of view, prevent integration and foster the tendency to a conservative and closed culture.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I mean they also refuse to let their children go to school, because they very much don't want them to be part of society at large. They're scared their children will get jobs and stop being part of their community. They're very much "us vs them". Those who aren't into that "us vs them" mentality, make an effort to get out and, depending on country, have a pretty good shot at becoming not criminals.

Edit: My edit to grandparent comment goes further into depth than this comment does. Yes, obviously the poverty cycle and discrimination is the original cause and still an ongoing issue. But after all these centuries, many don't WANT to be part of society at large. Which is why simply a lack of discrimination isn't enough. To integrate them, actual social programs are needed.

[–] commander@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

A reminder that across europe every country at some point were israel today - not even that long ago

[+] hakkinen@lemmy.world -20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

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[–] commander@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm certain plenty of them are much better people than you are. You're a terrible person. Your country would be better off if you left

[–] dickalan@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

On some level I wish there was a way to see what a obvious troll was saying so I could fight them in the future, Russians get their greedy fingers in every discussion online to sew discord and discontent so I would like to see a solid example of such bullshit

[+] hakkinen@lemmy.world -26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

bruh if you don't even know the difference between Roma and Romania maybe don't litter the post with your comments

[–] network_switch@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago

That's hilarious. This guys got to be stupid or someone in a troll farm trying stir up racial tension in other countries

[–] commander@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You'd fit in in Israel. You sound like you'd love to be in the IDF. Back in time you'd love to support the British and take the food of Indians as they go through famine because it sounds like today you're happy to cast judgment over 1.4 billion people. You'd fit in with the party in 1941 Germany as well. You'd be happily on the side of genocide across the Americas. You're trash. You're anti-Israel from a distance but share their ideology. You're pure trash

[+] hakkinen@lemmy.world -18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

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[–] commander@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You pointed out Roma people have roots back to India like that's some sort of huge gotcha that people understand means terrible people. You're in a racist bubble. Get out of it. In my country people from India have incredibly low crime rates and are usually highly educated. You need to make some friends outside of racist people. You seem to think what you believe in doesn't make you a bad person. I'm concerned for your country if you represent the average person

[–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Racist bitch. You realize this is literal racism, right?