Cross-posted from "It's that time again" by @Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com in !linux_memes@programming.dev
I'm having a great time on GNOME, even without any extensions at all!
this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2025
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Good for you. I broke my GNOME Pop OS build, I assume because of extensions and pop not updating anything for 2 years. GNOME goes against the Linux philosophy of user customisation.
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There are so many things the Linux kernel project does just right. One of them is "never break user space".
Unfortunately most projects completely fail to get why this is important.
I think one of the worst examples is the enormous setback it caused when Python was "upgraded" from 2 to 3, which meant breakage of huge amounts of libraries, that were never fixed, and was extremely detrimental to Python.
The kernel respects user-space, but actual user front ends do not!?!?!
KDE generally does the same when they upgrade to new versions of QT.
The kernel equivalent of shell extensions would be kernel modules. Out of tree modules break all the time. There's no stable in-kernel ABI, just like there's no guarantee that shell internals never change.
python 2 to 3 is actually an enormous change
You can make improvements without introducing breakage.
staying on an end of life unsupported programming language does not spark joy.
open source projects are (often) maintained by unpaid volunteers. unpaid volunteers doing something for the passion of it often don't want to build with one hand tied behind their back
There is literally one working todo thingy extension for GNOME. KDE has one included.
Yeah I very much like dislike the culture of Gnome... maybe I'll try something else someday. KDE isn't for me but Cosmic maybe.
It really is a shame that they force you to update to the new version. If only there was some way to continue using the existing Gnome version until the extensions have been updated by their authors.
If you want to update your software broadly, it's a pain in the ass if you need to try to hold gnome and only gnome back.
And many of those extensions get abandoned after the authors get tired of the treadmill of having to redo stuff they already did.
Shouldn't that only apply if the other software depends on the new functionality in the updated gnome?
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Most package managers allow pinning software versions, you could look into that for your distro. Might come in handy in other use cases too.
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I use Gnome with extensions and are quite happy. But it's true. the worst part is when they break after a new version comes out.
Fun Fact: You can just add the new version number to some file (can't remember which) for each extension and many of them work just fine. It's from a list of version numbers where they decide whether an extension can be run on a given Gnome Version. And new versions are not automatically added to that list.
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I've only ever used DEs that aren't gnome. And that wasn't really by choice - it was a workplace. But after hearing about how gnome treats their users... fuck that. I went so far recently as to try to make a nix system that was 100% free of gnome shit and I have actually hard a really difficult time because it has wormed its way into other dependencies.
I used to be a Gnome fan. But I hate the direction they took from Gnome shell 4 onwards. Now I use KDE and I'm happy with it.