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I've been looking for a job and jesus it's really gotten to me. Half the listed jobs are either the big tech companies like meta/aws etc. or defense contractors like lhm, northop-grummann or even dodgier glowie orgs. I'm pretty sure when such a large chunk of the economy is fucking defense contractors that it shows in the job market for something utterly unrelated (IT), that's fascism. Then I see they're selling off the UK military to palantir. Great.

It wasn't like this before. There were your goofy startups and your B2B SaaS companies, the latter I work for and it's been going under for years because it simply was never a good idea.

But that's just the straw that broke the camel's back because it was so real in a way reading news stories on the internet just isn't, it wasn't just a fact, it was an element of my life now, no different from the weather outside.

The absolute onslaught of anti-intellectualism, it's like a virus tearing through the population, a psychological blight, much worse than any coronavirus could be. The hypernormalization of it all and the sheer whiplash of the overton window has even got me shifting rightwards, through sheer osmosis and pressure.

Every time I hear my coworkers mention "grok" I get like a reaction, like "oh, that's the internet thing" and the compartmentalization of brain rot falters, I'm forced to acknowledge it is in fact - real, that what is going on is in fact real, and not just something I can laugh at. Being queer and an immigrant it's frankly shocking I've even been able to maintain this defense mechanism this long. My very future is on the chopping block, always has been, but maybe the city walls just can't stand the seige anymore.

But while I can take care of myself, I worry about the world, about others, distant and close alike. I don't need everyone to believe what I believe or align with what I think, but I feel insane at times because it seems like even the simplest rational thoughts are few and far between, everyone seems unhinged or some sort of insane grifter. It makes me want to grab the world and shake it like "why can't you just be normal".

And then there's people who plunge headfirst into the hypernormalization, realigning with the status quo, maintaining a pretense of continuity, when it is clear there's absolutely no real belief beneath. The pretense just intensifies to compensate.

Nonetheless I don't think there's much I can do, I don't know where to even start, I'd happily fight against the world that's coming but I can't do it alone, and it sure feels like I'm pretty much alone.

The burden of our time sucks, is all. Anybody got some good strategies to disconnect for a bit, so I can recuperate my psych defenses? Smell the roses and all?

EDIT: thanks everyone who responded. Think I'll check out of Lemmy for a bit, I'll make sure to read your insights and experiences when I get back. Thanks, and be well.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Being queer and an immigrant it's frankly shocking I've even been able to maintain this defense mechanism this long. My very future is on the chopping block, always has been, but maybe the city walls just can't stand the seige anymore.

I can only imagine how much worse it is for you, but even as a straight white male citizen I've got much the same complaints.

I have no advice except to say that you're not overreacting and it isn't a "you" problem; the situation really is that fucked up right now.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

Thank you, your empathy is much appreciated. It's really important at a time like this to know I'm not alone. You're not alone either, and your complaints are no less valid. We're all in this together, just wish it was under better circumstances.

[–] BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Nonetheless I don't think there's much I can do, I don't know where to even start, I'd happily fight against the world that's coming but I can't do it alone, and it sure feels like I'm pretty much alone.

All of what you said resonates with me, but this line really hits home.

I am FURIOUS. So much of the world is run by stupid, evil con-men who are ruining countless lives to enrich themselves. Every day we hear more lies so obviously false they're offensive. More blatant corruption and apathy towards the suffering of others. I am bristleing with barely contained rage, angry enough to tear out an oligarch's throat with my teeth, and I have to pretend everything is normal and talk about sports. I am ready join a riot and fuck shit up if only for the emotional release. Where the fuck is everybody?!?

sigh

But. Not all fighting is fighting. When fascists have come before, people were resisting in a million small ways before the much needed ass kicking started. Shielding their neighbors from oppression, sabotaging / working slowly and inefficiently, taking care of the downtrodden, spreading dissent. It's not as sexy and exciting as storming the halls of government, but harm reduction is something you can do even if you're alone. And you're not alone! There's absolutely a shitload of useful idiots enabling the bastards right now, but there's also a shitload of people like us. I'm running into them even in the American south, so I hope you can find some too where you are.

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

This world was birthed out of chaos. It has animals that prowl the land consuming other animals. Even the bacteria does that. There are disasters everywhere caused by this world, earthquakes, tsunamis, tornadoes, fucking volcano explosions.

This world is hell on its own. The difference is that it's green and blue .

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I feel for you very strongly, because I have the same ennui. I feel like any participation in this fucked up economy is a form treason against human decency, but I need a roof over my head...

I don't know why but I have this irrational hope that things are going to be ok. I think it's just taking a silly stupid big picture view of things and realizing oh it's not so bad. It's a cope called intellectualization, I believe.

That and working out to exhaustion are good respites.

PS if you don't mind sharing, what's your vocation?

[–] Bags@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm guessing you're also in the USA? As irresponsible as it is, I have been pulling back from the news, trying to not pay as much attention to it. It's not like I can do anything about it myself, anyway, so why spend so much effort and go through so much turmoil to keep up? Occasionally I will listen to NPR in the car, but everything is just so upsetting...

Over the past couple years I have deleted all my social media, stopped using reddit, and switched to a "dumbphone" so I can't scroll endlessly when I am bored. I spend my free time reading, playing old Pokemon games (currently playing Crystal), and have been spending a lot of time hiking, just print out a map and set off into the woods, turn my phone off, enjoy nature... Even yesterday, it was raining, I still went for a 2 hour hike. It's been really healing for me to pull back like this.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not in the US, but thank you though. I have def cut social media alongside all corpo subscriptions a while ago. I only really have Lemmy left (nothing against Mastodon but the format never appeared to me).

Yeah I've been listening to ambient and going for walks in a nearby park, there's a big highway past it, with a walking/cycling overpass with no cars, it's been meditative watching the city hustle in the distance from above, wondering where people are going and what for. Lately I've been looking after my gf who got sick, and it's been tough to carve out the time and energy, after work I'm usually so wound up or so tired I just don't have it in me.

I enjoyed reading about your hiking and imagining it. Thanks for sharing it.

[–] Bags@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ah, yeah, the horrors really seem to be quite universal these days, not contained within any one border...

I'm right there with you with just Lemmy, it seems like a decent enough place and I enjoy the fact that there aren't 18 billion users. I'm on Piefed, which has a convenient filter for removing news (and also allows me to disable the post and comment scores, which is super helpful for me, the karma system is why I was so addicted to reddit). I want it to be like the old days, if I want news, I turn on the radio or pick up a newspaper. (I've subscribed to The Onion News physical print, which has been a small glimmer of joy every month)

Good on you for taking care of your girlfriend. I couldn't keep up a relationship through everything else and broke off a long-term relationship, have been single for about half a year with no plans of finding anyone else. Sometimes I feel like a selfish piece of shit, but I have been the happiest I've been in years, so I'm just rolling with it.

I've been hyperfixated on backpacking lately, I really just want to load up a pack and disappear into the woods for a few days and not see another human the entire time. I've been doing a lot of hiking after work, there's a decent size (for my area) management area about 20 minutes from my job, I can get out, hop over there, and go out for a few hours before it gets dark.

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you were able to work in a goofy startup, what blocks you from working for a goofy corpo? I mean, the difference between startup bullshit and corporate bullshit is minimal.


ⓘ 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘢 𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘰𝘳𝘨𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘻𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘈𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘧𝘢. 𝘗𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘳.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If I were to wager a guess, not wanting to lock arms with fascism. We're all feeding into it, living in this shitty capitalist system we're forced into, but I can see wanting to minimise it. I personally wouldn't ever want to work for Amazon/Twitter/Facebook/whatever, supporting those companies means actively supporting the erosion of worker and private individual rights, we are to be commodities and resources, not people.

I work for a relatively small company. It's overall an alright experience, but our decent into AI bullshittery has me worried. We tout catchphrases like "knowledge, engagement, and responsibility" but I don't see any responsibility when it comes to AI. We talk about ethics, but don't display it in that regard.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, this tracks with my experience also.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am sorry. I wish I had good solutions, but alas. I hope for the best, for all of us.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I know it's not as easy as just saying, but what about starting your own little thing? I keep musing about starting a co-op if only I had any management chops.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I'd need startup capital (even just for self sustainment) and a network of like-minded folks. The latter honestly more so than the former. I think I'm brave/stupid enough to try, I just need flesh and blood people I can count on who'll back me up, who I can commiserate with if it all ends up a fool's errand, who I can celebrate with if we succeed, and I just don't know if I have those connections IRL. I have friends, but we are together by experience and circumstance, not goals.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm in the same boat. I just don't have the capital. I'm slightly above paycheck-to-paycheck, I wouldn't lose my home if I missed a few payments because we have strong tenancy laws here in Sweden, but it'd be rough. I just don't have the connections. It's just me and my dog, man.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago

I don't have any illusions of securing funding. I would just be happy to crank away on some tasks in our free time until we had clients to bill or something to sell.

Has been my thinking on the topic anyway. Expecting a longshot like a dev workers' co-op to satisfy a full-time salary at its inception feels like a sure fire way to go into a lot of debt to figure out how well you work together.

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I worked both in goofy startups and a goofy corpo. It's essentially the same unless you trouble yourself with moral superiority thoughts, which can disturb you in both worlds.

If we don't have much choice, why trouble yourself with an imaginary dilemma of how to pay your bills? The real choice we now have is either to work for a corpo or to work for a military corpo. We haven't chosen the time to live, but at least we can choose the lesser of two evils


ⓘ 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘢 𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘰𝘳𝘨𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘻𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘈𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘧𝘢. 𝘗𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘳.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 2 points 1 week ago

I think, speaking from personal experience outside of the U.S., working for a small company gives you greater opportunity for influencing things. In a large corporation you're lost in a sea of faces and people, and you'll more or less always be readily replaceable. In a smaller company there's a different atmosphere and culture, and your word has a higher chance of carrying weight.

Granted, I say this from a very biased (and privileged) perspective as a Swedish worker. We have fairly strong labour laws, thanks to our unions. I realise that this is obviously not the same everywhere, even within EU. I've a decent idea of what working culture is like in say, Germany, and I'd rather not work there unless I absolutely had to, much to the bafflement of some of my American friends who view German work culture very positively because of the abuse they're used to taking.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean I think I liked it better when the clearly bad idea corpo was just a scam, not a tool in the pocket of a very ideological, active and thus far successful bourgeoisie not merely utilizing it for petty personal gain but for shaping the world into something much more evil in a very sophisticated way than it ever really has been.

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

a tool in the pocket of a very ideological, active ... bourgeoisie ... shaping the world into something much more evil

That's a very grim and ideological way of looking at things. Our world is indeed transforming into the evil mess, but the origin of forces that drive it is, well, definitely not drones working for Amazon.


ⓘ 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘢 𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘰𝘳𝘨𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘻𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘈𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘧𝘢. 𝘗𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘳.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah I'm not saying the drones are at all responsible, but I personally just don't have the stomach for accepting that I would facilitate it even slightly, I barely manage to shrug off the weight of guilt for not somehow stopping all this, absurd as it may sound. I can't help but feel it is my fault, not only mine of course, but that I share in the blame, I couldn't forgive myself if I did everything opposite of what I believed in even if my survival depended on it.

[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Suffering is universal. As hard as it is to hear, you can't control how the world works, but you can choose how you react to it.

~~You have a mental health issue and you need to talk to a therapist.~~ This was not what I meant. It sounds too harsh.

I'd recommend working our your tough feelings with a therapist.

[–] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're completely wrong.

That's a person feeling empathy. You're not used to it, because you're damaged. People feeling empathy don't need mental therapy, they need people to empathize with them. Which is the opposite of what you're doing, because you're damaged.

You're reacting as if empathy is a disease. YOU need to talk to a therapist.

[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You’re not used to it, because you’re damaged.

That's pretty rude for a casual conversation.

What are you talking about? We're all damaged. OP needs to detach from his worries. I'm not saying OP can't empathize. I'm saying OP should let go of the things he can't control, and control the things he can. You make your life a living hell, no one else.

And yes, everyone should talk to a therapist. Everyone should have access to one in my opinion too.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

At what point - in your opinion - is suffering and being aware of it is a "mental health issue"?

When, if ever - are people permitted to be simply sad and simply vent into the void for a sense of catharsis without getting "mental health" slapped on top of them by complete strangers on the internet who don't know that person, or much of anything for that matter? Does the collapse of a civilization/world do it? Death of a friend? Physical sickness? Bad weather?

Or is it all - "mental health", and that this learned helplessness, selective dismissal of a very real change in society as being in any way related to the pseudophilosophical vague conception of a "universal suffering" that is usually reserved for universal human experiences like death and such and not man-made horrors beyond our comprehension and the well-practiced self-gaslighting you preach the only way to meet this ever-elusive criteria?

[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I apologize. Initially I came off as dismissive and that's not what I meant.

At what point - in your opinion - is suffering and being aware of it is a “mental health issue”?

When you let things you can't control make your life a living hell.

When, if ever - are people permitted to be simply sad and simply vent into the void for a sense of catharsis

If that's how you want to be, that's fine. If you're so upset with your life, you can do 2 things. You can change it, or you can change how you view it. But doing nothing and staying upset, in my opinion, in not mentally healthy.

Or is it all - “mental health”, and that this learned helplessness

We as humans are always helpless in one way or another. That's ok. That's what I'm saying. You have to learn to live with some things sometimes.

selective dismissal of a very real change in society

Not dismissing it. Changing how you react to it. If there's nothing you can do, why get upset?

pseudophilosophical vague conception of a “universal suffering”

I would say, the Buddha Siddhartha Gautama, was a a bit beyond a pseudo-philosophizer. Suffering is everywhere. Life is full of pain, sadness, and frustration. Desire causes suffering. Wanting things to be different or clinging to what we have makes us unhappy.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

When you let things you can't control make your life a living hell.

I don't really understand this. You repeat this again later "your life" this "your life" that.

My life is fine. It's pretty fucking good actually, I don't know anyone who has it as good as I do. The world - external to my life, is not. It is in fact - depressing to see others not thrive as I have, not through any fault of their own but mere luck being on my side and not on theirs. This empathy extends to my girlfriend, my friends, acquaintances, colleagues and even strangers.

There's nothing about my life that relates to this in the slightest, I could sit stop the highest most grand castle there is, and it wouldn't change the facts of the world around said castle.

Not everything is about self-help.

that's how you want to be, that's fine. If you're so upset with your life, you can do 2 things. You can change it, or you can change how you view it. But doing nothing and staying upset, in my opinion, in not mentally healthy.

Yes and I don't agree. I think twisting the facts to suit a more palatable narrative is intellectually dishonest. I don't think it's entirely avoidable either, but it's not a solution. Doing something on the other hand - yes of course. But that's assuming you have the means, which I don't.

We as humans are always helpless in one way or another. That's ok. That's what I'm saying. You have to learn to live with some things sometimes.

Yes, that's true of course. But we're not talking about a bad stroke of luck in the genetic lottery here or a freak accident, we're talking about man-made purposeful oppression. These are not the same things.

Not dismissing it. Changing how you react to it.

That's the same thing. You're snubbing your normal reaction to something for no actual logical reason.

If there's nothing you can do, why get upset?

Why ever get upset at anything? Why feel anything at all?

You feel the emotions you feel. Unless there's a logical reason to actively fight them (being manipulated, paranoid e.g. afraid of something that is probably not a threat), then there isn't a cause to alter those emotions just because they're unpleasant.

would say, the Buddha Siddhartha Gautama, was a a bit beyond a pseudo-philosophizer.

But the people who take those ideas and twist them into a self-help guru narrative are shameless, on the other hand.

Suffering is everywhere. Life is full of pain, sadness, and frustration.

Yes. But this can be changed, it is the very essence of why progress happens at all on anything ever. Accepting these things as a fact of life is nothing more than defeat.

Desire causes suffering. Wanting things to be different or clinging to what we have makes us unhappy.

No, actually. Not in this case, not in a lot of cases, dare I even say - most, and deep down you know it too.

Consider this analogy:

If someone comes along and breaks your legs, and it hurts, that person is what causes you suffering, it is them who has made you unhappy, not you and your supposedly misguided desire for unbroken legs.

Even if you can't stop this person, knowing who the enemy is, and refusing to break mentally and cave to them, to accept that their actions are some inherent fact of life and not just the awful actions of another human, standing fast against the test of time alone - is the real response, to maintain your self, your dignity and your beliefs, to refuse the transgressor the satisfaction of breaking your spirit, that's the one thing that any person can do even in the most helpless situation.

Oppressed peoples from all corners of land and walks of life know this throughout all time - it is ancient knowledge, you can kill a man, but you cannot kill an idea.

Rolling over and adapting to them is what I see some do and it's perhaps the most depressing thing there is, this "hypernormalization".

[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My life is fine.

The multiple essays on how this world is a living hell say otherwise. Get some fresh air.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago

Can you not distinguish between "the world" and yourself? Is your view of the world so subjective it's tied to your own life and perception of self? Maybe it's you who needs some fresh air. I actually took a break from Lemmy as well.