so if you recognise a two state solution then you recognise palestine's right to defend itself, right? - padme
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There’s basically no way two-state will work anymore, right?
Maybe a few decades ago. But even if Bibi was magically removed for the most pro-Palestine government possible, Israel's war crimes were recognized, and Palestine was rebuilt from rubble with massive aid, it feels like things are ‘written into a corner’ and there is just too much radicalization and spilled blood for two hypothetical states to leave each other alone.
As long as any Palestinian lives, a two-state solution is possible. We need to support the downfall of fascism, and that must occur by support of Palestina and the downfall of oligarchs.
And being under the same state will remove that tension?
No.
I’m not really sure what a good solution is anymore. We hold Israel severely accountable (which is apparently impossible :/), but then what?
The most plausible path forward I see is the Native American model from the USA.
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Genocide and ethnically cleanse the target population into progressively smaller reservations. (Israel is here)
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Sign treaties recognizing the target population as a sovereign entity existing within the borders and legal framework of the parent nation.
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targeted population demilitarized. It's people become increasingly integrated into the parent nation.
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Civil rights movement for members of the targeted population within the parent nation.
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Develop an esoteric field of law clarifying what "sovereign entity existing within the borders and legal framework of the parent nation" even means.
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Gradually chip away at the targeted population through a combination of progressively narrowing the scope of law covered in (5), and the natural integration of the targeted population into the host population (US is here)
Are the Palestinians at least going to get some casinos in a couple hundred years?
So the UN is gonna execute Netanyahu and his entire cabinet? And oversee the Israli government for the foreseeable future until the state of Palestine is restored and armed equally with Isreal?
That's what's required to make this right
Ah yes, the approach that's failing since 80 years surely going to work this time.
It was always going to be a one-state solution. I’d hoped that state would be a pluralistic home for the Israelis and Palestinians, but they’re closer than ever to slamming the door tight on a single ethnostate for Jews, with not so much as a disputed territory beside.
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No country can claim to back up a two state solution while providing zero concrete measures if israel refuse to do it
Which they will absolutely refuse to do
for one thing, Saudi Arabia is bribing the US, though it's questionable whether that'd work
Qatar bribed trump then allowed israel to bomb qatar
And Qatar is kinda pissed about that, to be fair. Lack of an apology (as Trump is psychologically incapable of) is not going to help either.
They are kinda pissed then what?
Shrug.
Qatar has been quite the friendly mediator though. Any pretense of Trump's ‘wins’ in the Middle East start to disappear if they simply don't do that anymore.
Israel and the usa don't want mediation they want to exterminate palestinians from palestine. I am pretty sure they would be happy if qatar stop doing it so they could day look Qatar is the one who no longer want peace and returning the hostages
This requires Israel removing Netanyahu and his far right alliance from power, and Palestine building a stable elected government.
Netanyahu might be removed in the next election because Israelis are fed up with his military aggression that has failed to eliminate Hamas or free the remaining hostages. This is an election year.
The Palestinian authority has to be completely dismantled and rebuilt with new elections and authority to properly govern. Abbas is about to enter the 21st year of his 4 year term.
He was removed in 2022 and barely got back in the last election (Current gov was elected with 49.5% of the voters). Plus for the last 2 years, the polls show the gov parties don't have nearly enough support to get reelected.
Problem is there's a high chance they'll interfere with the elections.
And this will have to come with some measures or support for deradicalized education and support for joint Palestinian-Israeli organizations that bring people together like Standing Together, Combatants for Peace, etc.
IIRC, the UN has held this same vote (with the same result) on a regular basis for decades. This isn’t a new development.
There is already a two state solution. It’s what is happening currently and Israel has systematically chipped away at it for 75 years. They will not stop until they have erased any possibility of a Palestinian state. The solution is one state where everyone has equal rights.
I don't think either side wants that tbh
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There is no two-state solution on stolen land.
I doubt mass deporting Israeli Jews will gain much support either, and without that you'd just end up with Jim Crow—the US racial discrimination in spite of the anti-slavery Civil War—where the Israeli majority will just democratically tyrannize the Palestinians like they're doing right now, just without the bombs.
I don't think there'd be a Jewish majority if Palestinian refugees are granted the right to return from Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, etc.
Also, a lot of Jewish people would outright refuse to live in decolonized Palestine. They'd rather live in Europe than in a country they are forced to share with Palestinians. Without apartheid and a Jewish ethnostate, the Middle East loses a lot of its appeal.
Especially when a lot of them lose their property because it's fucking stolen.
Did you know that is the reason my country (Iran) voted no to this resolution?
because Iran backs one state that everyone lives in it and refugees have come back.
that seems like a big risk to take. alternatively palestinian refugees could choose to just not return because of all the recent horrors and shaky stability. plus, jim crow dominated even black-majority areas.
I think Palestinians have demonstrated over and over that they are willing to stay on the land even at the risk of their own lives.
Israelis, meanwhile, flee the country whenever things get difficult. Their population growth is negative at the moment.
Also, Jim Crow and the defeat of Reconstruction happened because slave owners weren't imprisoned for their crimes or stripped of their wealth and/or property. They lost their slaves, they didn't lose their land or even their social or political power. They had business relations and could recover. We don't have to make that mistake again. Every war criminal goes to prison and pays reparations, every person on stolen land gets their land seized, then you won't have a similar repeat of Jim Crow.
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Great! I'm sure all 0 living Palestinians remaining will be glad to hear that...
L. One state solution or nothing. These fucking fools
one state solution
Minus the Golan heights, and sure.
The only option
Only if its truely secular
It's so surreal this is referred to as the New York Declaration but the US votes against it. I'm sure there's history there, but I just see the irony on the surface.
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